pompey v man utd 46.47

[pompeypete]

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On e bay at present & the seller is asking for £600+.......

Why the high cost.

game was played on a saturday at 3.00 pm as normal.

OK Utd were riding high but pompey were only mid table

Any Ideas ???
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[RoddyN]

Some years ago I saw that programme go for £800/900 at a London auction.

[PompeyPhil]

..............and do we know the seller?

Have the same question as Pete really.....why is this Portsmouth home programme so valuable?

[RoddyN]

Simple. Supply and demand.

[pompeypete]

RoddyN wrote:

Simple. Supply and demand.

Could be true if pompey only produced a small amount of match programmes......
But
I, m sure that the rest of pompey programmes for that season go for £30 ish.

How about other man utd aways for that season ??

Still confused......
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[PompeyPhil]

Game went ahead on the date specified.
30 Thousand Plus attendance.
No details available (that I can find) as to whether there was or was not a low print run? (unless someone knows otherwise?)
Neither United or Pompey won the League.
There was no 1st or last for either teams for example 1st or last Division One League Season appearance.
Other Programmes for games played that season (as Pete mentions) are valued quite considerably lower.......not withstanding that United Programmes against Pompey (and probably other Teams) go for more.
Programmes for Seasons following the 46-47 season aren't valued anywhere near this figure?
Is it down to "supply and demand"...............or can anyone throw any light on it?

[tbfacsm]

yes i can

This is my programme and i will explain

In this first season after the war paper was scarce and the crowd expected or indeed the crowd attending had no reflection on the programmes printed.

Every ground including Portsmouth and Manchester United and Grimsby and Spurs and arsenal had full houses and low print runs controlled completely by available paper.
I believe Stoke,as an example, had emergency issues
So a 40,000 crowd got you maybe 1500 printed programmes and a 60,000 crowd might have got you you 1000 programmes depending on the paper in the printers .Equally it may have got you 2000 for the very same reasons

So now you are down to current supply and demand balanced against survival,due to the quality of the paper.

In this case where there's one there's more than one but there isn't enough to go round with the collectability of the teams involved and thus market forces come into play

My records tell me that this programme was offered in April 2000 by Manchesterunitedman1 at his sale at Phillips with an estimate of £1500/2000
He then sold it privately for £1200 in February 2002to a collector known to me

It sold on Sports auctions in July 2002 for £1230

It sold on ebay in December 2005 for 700 and this copy was resold at Football sports auctions in May 2013 for £650

My final note is Mullocks had one that they sold in September 2015(lot 145) for £575 and t was arsewiped and a split spine

So whatever the reason this one,in this condition, can be regarded as a positive giveaway to anybody that both wants it and can afford it
That is compared to a recent price asked on ebay for a Young Boys of Berne v Manchester United by a respected member of this forum.
Nobody seemed to question that btw

Hope the above answers all the questions

[pompeypete]

Thanks tbfacsm but if it was just paper shortage or low print runs......

I can only assume other pompey or man utd match programmes would go for a similar amount

You are most possibly correct but it seems strange that this programme always goes for a premium price.........while othrrs don, t.
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[PompeyPhil]

Thank you very much for taking the time to provide a very comprehensive explanation. I wish you all the best with your sale/auction of this item.

[wandererpaul]

So it seems one of our old posters is back under a different name?

The seller is "treble99", so I assume it's the same "treble" that used to post on here?

Posts the same too.

Hopefully they pass on their knowledge once again.
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[tbfacsm]

pompeypete wrote:

Thanks tbfacsm but if it was just paper shortage or low print runs...... I can only assume other pompey or man utd match programmes would go for a similar amount You are most possibly correct but it seems strange that this programme always goes for a premium price.........while othrrs don, t.

I think it is more than just a paper shortage.
Certainly paper restrictions played a part.
A check through John Mason's early book on Manchester United fixtures carried print runs for the 1946/47.
They were mostly only around the 2000 mark with some as low as around 1,000
With crowds around 60,000 there was clearly nowhere near enough to go round.
With no such thing as programme collecting in those days i think it was more a case of the character of the person who actually managed to get hold of a programme.
Was he a hoarder/keeper of paper items ie a historian type or did he read it and chuck it.
Other relevant issues would be the weather.Did it rain?
Many grounds were uncovered and if you were in the rain it was inevitable that anything in your pocket got wet.
My final observation would be the social aspect of the split of the country which remains to this day imo.
I honestly believe that London and the south has always been a bit more financially affluent.
By that i mean that there has,imo,always been more cash down south and as such the fans of London clubs such as Arsenal,Spurs,Chelsea,QPR had the money for the game.a beer and a programme
In say the North East money was tighter in the mining and fishing communities and maybe they paid entrance and a beer but knew the team so no need for a programme
Certainly my experience tells me that some clubs such as Sunderland,Middlesbrough,Newcastle United(to a level) and Grimsby against Manchester United are absolute bastards to find compared to Spurs,Arsenal etc
I am not sure where Portsmouth fits in the social scale of my theory but possibly this may be part of the reason.
I hope that gives you something to discuss