Ireland v England 1946 photos

[Pete’s Picture Palace]

I recently won 2 photos of England v Ireland 1946, dated 30th Sept 1946. and on checking further today I saw that the game was played at Windsor Park Belfast on 28th Sept 1946 (result 2-7).

The 2 photos are here and I would like someone please to confirm this is Windsor Park and to see if anyone can confirm the ID of any of the players.

Under the photos I'm listing the 2 teams. The top one has the match detail as noted above on reverse, but that's all, and the bottom one is plain backed but of very similar style to the top one.





Ireland:-

A.Russell
T.Aherne
B.Gorman
J.Carey
J.Vernon
J.Douglas
N.Lockhart
D.Cochrane
E.McMorran
J.McAlinden
P.Doherty

England:-

F.Swift
G.Hardwick
L.Scott
B.Wright
N.Franklin
H.Cockburn
B.Langton
T.Lawton
T.Finney
R.Carter
W.Mannion

Top one is England attacking, Lawton is No 9 and the keeper is presumably Russell. Could be Carey (bald head) near to Lawton.

Bottom one is England defending so presumably Swift in goal. Not sure on defender - maybe Cockburn? Or the Irish attacker?

All help gratefully received and if anyone would like to purchase, please send a PM.

Thank you.

[wandererpaul]

The bald chap in the top photo is Brentford's Bill Gorman I believe.
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[Pete’s Picture Palace]

Think you're right Paul, thanks for that.

Can anyone confirm it's Windsor Park and any other ID's please?

Cheers

[manchesterunitedman1]

Pete’s Picture Palace wrote:

Think you're right Paul, thanks for that. Can anyone confirm it's Windsor Park and any other ID's please? Cheers

Yes Paul is correct and the bottom photo is not Henry Cockburn-that is the best i can do Pete!

[Harjoe]

The top photo is Windser Park number 3 is Bud Aherne number 5 is Jackie Vernon at that time Northern Ireland picked players from the Republic and England played the Republic on the following Monday winning 1 - 0 with Tom Finney scoring the winning goal

Not too sure about the 2nd photo the dark jerseys don't seam to be right although it was England and theres no stand in the background and not sure if the goalie is Frank Swift

[wandererpaul]

The players socks - wearing the dark strip - in the bottom photo are different to the top one. So agree with the above post that they could well be different matches!

Could it be Hampden Park or Wembley even?
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[Pete’s Picture Palace]

Thank you Leslie, Joe and Paul.

Very grateful that the top one is confirmed as Windsor Park with players identified too, all very useful info. Thank you Joe.

Re the second one, I'm inclined to agree that it's a different game. I'm pretty sure that keeper isn't Frank Swift, but no idea who it is and I also think the team in dark shirts could be defending (see posture of other dark shirted player). So if dark shirts are defending it's definitely a different game to the top one as they are different keepers. If England are defending however, I don't recognise keeper or defender - all of whom are very recognisable players.

Joe mentioned the stand isn't there but of course the picture could be taken from the opposite end.

However, it could easily be Hampden (ie it's Scotland in dark shirts) or Wembley (so could be anyone!).

Thanks again and if any Scots could please look at the lower one I'd be grateful.

[overlap]

Almost certainly not Scotland, as national kit of that era had a lion rampant badge on it. Don't think it is Wembley either, stadium does not look right.

It might well be Rep Ireland v England in 1946 though, (who England played someone mentioned previously), kit looks right.

[Pete’s Picture Palace]

Thank you Overlap.

England played the RoI at Dalymount Park, Dublin on 30th September. Could the lower photo be Dalymount Park?

England's line-up was identical - the Irish side also contained Carey and Gorman but 9 different players, namely

Con Martin
Tommy Eglinton
Kevin O'Flanagan
Alex Stevenson
Tommy Breen
Michael O'Flanagan
Paddy Coad
Billy Hayes
Willie Walsh

Could they be the players in dark shirts + &/or keeper in lower photo?

[seand]

Bottom ones looks like it *could* be Dalymount (looking at the Connaught Street terrace). to be honest I'd struggle to id Irish players from that era. Dark shited player in the background (on the 6 yard line) could be Tommy Eglington (Everton), the dark shirted player taking on the keeper could be Davy Walsh (West Brom). Hard to see in the picture posted, but is there advertising on the hoardings/wall we can see?

[Pete’s Picture Palace]

Thanks for the reply, Sean.

I've blown up the middle of this photo to see if the advertising is legible but sadly it's not.

Having done that the players in that area are also much clearer and it's not Frank Swift in goal, so it must be the Irish keeper (Con Martin?) and 2 defenders.

Also, the English player isn't Scott, Hardwick, Wright, Franklin, Cockburn, Finney, Lawton, Carter or Mannion so it must be Bobby Langton. Does anyone agree with that?

Sean, let me know if you'd like this in your inbox and I'll email it to you. Thanks again.



Bobby Langton

[Harjoe]

the 2nd photo is not Dalymount Park because there was never advertisments at ground level ,it looks more like Chelsea's ie ballboys on the sideline and running or grayhound track,
Also I am uploading a photo taken before match in Dalymount England players had crests on shirts ,so forget about Dalymount ,if I can get my scanner to work
As someone who knew Tommy Eglington personaly none of the players are him

[Pete’s Picture Palace]

Thanks again Joe, so we'll rule out Dublin.

There is a badge on the England shirt, it's clearer blown up but doesn't really show on this thread.

Fixed your scanner yet?

[wandererpaul]

Could it be Maine Road and England v Wales in November 1946?

The dark shirts, white shorts and hopped socks certainly match.....

Line ups here

http://www.englandstats.com/matches.php?mid=229
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[Pete’s Picture Palace]

Thanks for that, Paul - same England team again so that player may be Bobby Langton - if someone could please confirm that it would be a start.

Man City - Maine Road - any chance, anyone?

Wales - anyone?

[hydemaine]

seand wrote:

Bottom ones looks like it *could* be Dalymount (looking at the Connaught Street terrace). to be honest I'd struggle to id Irish players from that era. Dark shited player in the background (on the 6 yard line) could be Tommy Eglington (Everton), the dark shirted player taking on the keeper could be Davy Walsh (West Brom). Hard to see in the picture posted, but is there advertising on the hoardings/wall we can see?

Bet nobody came near him in the box?

[wandererpaul]

It cannot be Stamford Bridge, as England only played at that ground pre 1939.

Need to see if the ground is Maine Road, Highbury or Wembley even.

If the ground is recognised then you'll have your opponents!

****EDIT****

It cannot be Wales at Maine Road either! Check out this piece of newsreel!! The keepers shirt is light coloured. Plus Wales have badges on their shirts!

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/england-v-wales-7
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[Posh1959]

wandererpaul wrote:

It cannot be Stamford Bridge, as England only played at that ground pre 1939. Need to see if the ground is Maine Road, Highbury or Wembley even. If the ground is recognised then you'll have your opponents! ****EDIT**** It cannot be Wales at Maine Road either! Check out this piece of newsreel!! The keepers shirt is light coloured. Plus Wales have badges on their shirts! http://www.britishpathe.com/video/england-v-wales-7

England v Switzerland May 11 1946 was played at Stamford Bridge

[wandererpaul]

Posh1959 wrote:

wandererpaul wrote: It cannot be Stamford Bridge, as England only played at that ground pre 1939. Need to see if the ground is Maine Road, Highbury or Wembley even. If the ground is recognised then you'll have your opponents! ****EDIT**** It cannot be Wales at Maine Road either! Check out this piece of newsreel!! The keepers shirt is light coloured. Plus Wales have badges on their shirts! http://www.britishpathe.com/video/england-v-wales-7 England v Switzerland May 11 1946 was played at Stamford Bridge

That's a wartime international though, not recognised as a full international.
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[overlap]

The interesting, or unusual, thing about this pic is that the dark shirted opposition don't have any shirt badge, which would seem to rule out British Home Nations and Republic of Ireland?

Am also wondering if that goalie - with his gloves and black kit - is a bit 'continental' looking.