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LincsBlue · Joined: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 31

Just noticed this one come up on ebay. Is it a rarity and collectable? Personally I'd feel a bit uncomfortable about having this one, but that's just my view.

BAZZABAGGIES · Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 1918

I ran the Bradford Fair which raised money for The Bradford Fire appeal in the Summer of 1985 in The Wool Exchange Bradford.
The Printers gave me a bundle of programmes which were sold for £25 Each on the day so its very rare and collectable

kpswannie · Joined: 14 Mar 2013 Posts: 80

I find it quite disturbing that Rangers homes from season 1970/1971 usually go for a couple of quid but then you see people trying to flog the Ibrox disaster game from 2nd January 1971 for £25 !

Any spare programmes that I have ever aquired from this game I have gave them away to friends who were at the game !

Just doesnt feel right to me to cash in on this match !

LincsBlue · Joined: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 31

kpswannie wrote:

I find it quite disturbing that Rangers homes from season 1970/1971 usually go for a couple of quid but then you see people trying to flog the Ibrox disaster game from 2nd January 1971 for £25 !

Any spare programmes that I have ever aquired from this game I have gave them away to friends who were at the game !

Just doesnt feel right to me to cash in on this match !

Totally agree with your sentiments. In my opinion the only people that could buy a Bradford v Lincoln programme morally would be a Bradford supporter wanting it because of it being a promotion season or someone buying it and any proceeds were going towards a fund. But hey, we're all entitled to our views.

Eck · Joined: 25 Aug 2012 Posts: 2548

kpswannie wrote:

I find it quite disturbing that Rangers homes from season 1970/1971 usually go for a couple of quid but then you see people trying to flog the Ibrox disaster game from 2nd January 1971 for £25 !

Any spare programmes that I have ever aquired from this game I have gave them away to friends who were at the game !

Just doesnt feel right to me to cash in on this match !

I can't get my head round Rangers supporters last season buying a load of home programmes and punting them to fellow supporters at inflated prices on ebay. I have the Ibrox disaster programme and the first home game after it,both in poor condition but they were given to me. I wasn't at the disaster game,I can't remember why I didn't go but my sister worked in a shop in Govan at the time and got permission to leave early because she assumed I would be at the game but it was a relief to her when she got home and I was there.

slightfold · Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 609

Interesting comments. Prior to the Bradford City tragedy there had been fires at Huddersfield Town 1950, Nottingham Forest 1968, and Bristol Rovers 1980, though none of them resulted in loss of life. As a collector of first and last games at grounds for whatever reason, I have a copy. It can fetch up to £30. I did get offered one once which was charred, now that I did not want at any price, that would have too painful a reminder of that awful day.

Auchinleckian · Forum Moderator Joined: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4352

It was reported in Programme Monthly at the time that "charred" programmes from the game had surfaced and being offered for sale at hugely inflated prices. The lengths to which some people will stoop are unbelievable.

LincsBlue · Joined: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 31

Auchinleckian wrote:

It was reported in Programme Monthly at the time that "charred" programmes from the game had surfaced and being offered for sale at hugely inflated prices. The lengths to which some people will stoop are unbelievable.

Think 'stoop' is an understatement, 'sick' is more apt.

kpswannie · Joined: 14 Mar 2013 Posts: 80

Offering people "Charred " copies from that dreadfull day ?

This has got to be one of the sickest things I have ever heard in my life !

I watched the horror of that day on TV as a 12 year old with tears streaming down my face along with rest of my family !

If the guy who was advertising these programmes is looking in , I hope you can sleep at night pal , drop me a pm too , I would love to me you !!

Wullie · Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 3423

Huddersfield Town 1950, Nottingham Forest 1968, and Bristol Rovers 1980

Why do we always have to wait until people are killed for the authorities to take action on safety?

derby1884 · Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject:

Potentially "gruesome" tale here - but I'll keep it brief!

We all pick up old programmes through various sources and, in the mid-80s, I bought a couple of dozen early 50s Chelsea homes at a second-hand bookshop in, I think, Camden. Read through them at length, filed them away.

A few years later, I was reading Ludovic Kennedy's book "10 Rillington Place" which was instrumental in the abolition of the death penalty in this country. In it, he put forward the argument that Timothy Evans had been hung for a murder committed by serial killer John Christie.

Aside from going through Christie's life of crime, the book also stated that he had been a part-time referee earlier in his life and, right up to his arrest, was known to visit Stamford Bridge when he felt like taking in a match. Something "clicked" at that point and I went back to check one of the Chelsea programmes I'd got. Sure enough, on the back page of one, someone had written down a set of initials. Those initials corresponded, in the correct order, to the first 6 victims of Christie's killing spree. Even spookier, the writing (especially how the letter "R" was penned) seemed to correspond with Christie's handwriting.

Ludo Kennedy knew more about Christie than anyone else - so I got the address of his agent and sent off a letter along with a photocopy of the page in question.

Didn't really expect a reply but a week later one arrived from his country house in Berkshire. Yes, he considered that could well be Christie's writing and, yes, if so, perhaps he did scribble down the initials during half time or a quiet period in the game (!). Or, more likely, at home in a contemplative moment. More pertinently, Christie's mindset was very pedantic and, in Kennedy's opinion, just the sort of thing he would do.

Anyway, it rather "freaked me out" at the time and it's certainly not proof that the programme belonged to one of Britain's most notorious and sickening criminals nor does it make it in any way "collectable"....just an oddity that may have a perfectly innocent explanation. Or may not.

To be honest, I'm not even certain I still have the programme in question though I probably do somewhere.
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Pete’s Picture Palace · Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:01 pm Post subject:

Fascinating story, Steve, and excellent detective work. If I had that programme I'd have it carefully filed away, it's a very spooky bit of treasure, if a tad morbid!

Wullie · Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 3423

This is an interesting one. Remembrance day programme with German soldiers on the cover. What a mistake to make. Can't see that it justifies the asking price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aird.....4ac6002f2c

LincsBlue · Joined: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 31

Wullie wrote:

This is an interesting one. Remembrance day programme with German soldiers on the cover. What a mistake to make. Can't see that it justifies the asking price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aird.....4ac6002f2c

Blimey did that actually get as far as being sold to supporters without it being noticed?

roughyedz · Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 608 Location: Oldham

LincsBlue wrote:

Wullie wrote:

This is an interesting one. Remembrance day programme with German soldiers on the cover. What a mistake to make. Can't see that it justifies the asking price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aird.....4ac6002f2c

Blimey did that actually get as far as being sold to supporters without it being noticed?

Pardon me .......But isnt Rememberance Day for ALL Soldiers killed in battle ? Does it really matter what uniform they are wearing ???

Or Does it ???e

LincsBlue · Joined: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 31

roughyedz wrote:

LincsBlue wrote:

Wullie wrote:

This is an interesting one. Remembrance day programme with German soldiers on the cover. What a mistake to make. Can't see that it justifies the asking price.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aird.....4ac6002f2c

Blimey did that actually get as far as being sold to supporters without it being noticed?

Pardon me .......But isnt Rememberance Day for ALL Soldiers killed in battle ? Does it really matter what uniform they are wearing ???

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Or Does it ???e

No. it's a memorial day observed in Commonwealth countries that started at the end of World War I to remember the members of their armed forces who have died in the line of duty

roughyedz · Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 608 Location: Oldham

I think you will find that Rememberance Days are held in many countries in the WORLD not JUST good old blighty and its former Empire. . . you only need to look at WIKIPEDIA . . .
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa.....mp;cad=rja . . . where it lists just 10 commenwealth countries and 10 other countries from around the world, including Germany ....... If you are only just going to remember YOUR OWN . . . then I would think that your thoughts are completely wasted ..... this is not intended as a personal comment but as my thoughts on the matter Thumbs Up

sharrowblade · Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:04 pm Post subject:

roughyedz wrote:

Does it really matter what uniform they are wearing ???

Yes it does.
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roughyedz · Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 608 Location: Oldham

No problem .... I take it you you only mourn for the British dead but none of the other millions who have died throughout history in war . . . Do you approve of the Nazi concentration camps as well as those built by the USA , British , Canadaians and Spanish governments to name just a few before the German Govt followed suit ....

sharrowblade · Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:21 pm Post subject:

You seem to have taken this totally out of context, to which this thread was intended.

I'm referring to the programme cover. (Airdrie v Livingston)

A Scottish Football league game, sponsored by Scotrail, co-inciding with our Remembrance Day, (not theirs). A cover, celebrating the role that the railways played in transporting allied troops during World War II.

Are you saying, that it doesn't matter that it depicts the enemy?

What next? Dynamo Kiev celebrating Soviet Transport day with a cover of a Panzer trundling along the plains of Kursk, with a Robert Shaw lookalike waving happily at the local peasants.

The programme cover was a mistake, a genuine mistake I believe, whoever was responsible believed it was a picture of Australian soldiers.

In regards, to mourning the dead, that's a personal issue for the individual. When I observe Remembrance Sunday, my thoughts, foremost, are with family members who have gave their lives. I give thanks to those who paid the ultimate sacrifice, so that myself and consequently my family can live the life they do today.

Talk about concentration camps, fascinating subject that it is, doesn't really belong on here.
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