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manchesterunitedman1



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:45 pm 
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Personally i am against it, i prefer B &W as with the older items it best portay's the period, especially around the Victorian and Edwardian, but here is an original example that appeared back in 1907-08.......which back then was a novelty, but it did not seem to catch on. Life has always been Black and White in many respects, a dash of colour helps but.....

https://flic.kr/p/6cMwCx
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:25 pm 
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Being a traditionalist historian, I would agree. However, there are times when using colour may be better.

I have a book coming out next month (or the month after, based on the latest comments from the publisher) and the front cover is an action picture from 1922. That has had colourisation and I think that a colour pic looks a lot better on the cover. The other game, etc, pictures used throughout the book remain as B&W.

This was the original:


The cover is now:
https://www.fairplaypublishing.com.au/collections/fair-play-publishing/products/burning-ambition-the-centenary-of-australia-new-zealand-football-ashes

By the way, if you may be interested in a copy of the book, get back to me and I may be able to assist to cut costs (especially on freight).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:38 pm 
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Making a generalisation, I think colourising an individual player, and also a full team group, isn't too bad - as long as it's done professionally.

But a match action photo with players of both sides should be left as the original black and white. That's because on the pitch during a match the shades change with the light and the weather. Painting one team red and one team blue loses the original meaning and context.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:46 pm 
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I think colourising has it's place, it really helps bring a picture to life.

That said, it needs a professional hand, and it doesn't work with all photos either, some are better left alone.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:50 pm 
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ndg1860 wrote:
Being a traditionalist historian, I would agree. However, there are times when using colour may be better.

I have a book coming out next month (or the month after, based on the latest comments from the publisher) and the front cover is an action picture from 1922. That has had colourisation and I think that a colour pic looks a lot better on the cover. The other game, etc, pictures used throughout the book remain as B&W.

This was the original:


The cover is now:
https://www.fairplaypublishing.com.au/collections/fair-play-publishing/products/burning-ambition-the-centenary-of-australia-new-zealand-football-ashes

By the way, if you may be interested in a copy of the book, get back to me and I may be able to assist to cut costs (especially on freight).


That's a great example of bringing to life what was a fairly poor B&W photo.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:08 am 
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I love the colourising done by 'Football time and nations'

www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/albums

It helps massively that most of the photos are new to me. I think having them in colour makes you look more closely.

'Interesting' photos where things are happening are fascinating in colour.

Standard (still) black and white headshots to me are quite boring pictures usually and might as well be left b&w
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:35 pm 
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Let's not forget that colourising a b/w photo is only an artist's impression as to the actual colours at the time.

I accept it's each to their own. But in comparison to an old b/w headshot, I find modern plastic tat rather boring!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:17 pm 
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Some of Laurel & Hardy's work has been "colourised". Someone's gone to a lot of trouble but it doesn't add to theenjoyment for me. If anything the artificiality irritates.
Same with photos.
I suppose they have some novelty value.
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manchesterunitedman1



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:39 am 
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Some interesting opinions so far with the vote going at the moment to the purists but only a handful have made any comment.

Thanks to everyone who has so far.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 4:50 am 
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In my opinion, colourisation is really important. No doubt there is no competition between the original photo and colourisation, but it has another level of importance. As these colors can provide a sense of calm because they are visual reminders of elements or objects.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 6:22 am 
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Here’s an interesting one . 1933 Wembley Everton’s Dixie Dean receiving the F A Cup
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 7:17 am 
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Each to their own, but give me an old black and white photo any day of the week over a colourised one.

I understand why some people like ones where the colour has been added, but in my collection of old Spurs photos, I don't have any.

The one thing that I don't like is where just part of an image has been colourised, like a player for example.
I know the idea is for that player to stand out, but for me those ones just look horrible.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 10:59 am 
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It might have already been done, but l can see some talented artist turning some of these iconic images into oil paintings, with limited edition prints. I think it has already been done with old boxing photos, horse-racing , golf etc. Some iconic football images that spring to mind : George Best European Cup Final Goal, Banks great save from Pele, Bobby Moore shaking hands with Pele, Maradona hand of God goal. Thinking about , it must have been done in the past. I did once pick up at a car boot a copy of a painting Burnley v Spurs FA Cup Final 1962, which l think was presented to each League club for some centenary . I got Tranmere Rovers one, which was being thrown out!
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