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lincolnredman



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:49 pm 
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Does anyone know what programmes were in lot 3251 today at tooveys auction house.i had a quick look and it said mainly crystal palace 1930s programmes so not for me but I have just seen they sold for £8000 plus the extras which I think were 29%. So I was just wondering was there any thing really special in the on.Thanks for any details
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:55 pm 
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There was a full list in the link on the item.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:00 pm 
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Thanks for that like I said I only had a quick look and i was surprised by the end price but i will look at the list now thanks
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Crystal Palace
vs Fulham 1931/2 - London Challenge Cup Final (pencil team) vs Fulham 1931/2 (pencil team)
Vs Norwich City 1933 (light browning)
Vs Fulham 1933 (one leaf, tattered edges, torn)
Vs Brentford 1933 (some soiling)
Vs Northampton Town 1934/5
Vs Aldershot 3rd Round English Cup 1934 (staple rusted)
Vs Millwall 1934 (age toning)
Vs Gillingham 1934 (staples rusted)
Res vs Spurs Res 1935 (light browning)
Vs Charlton Athletic 1935 (staples rusted)
Vs Bristol Rovers 1936 (staples rusted)
Vs Reading 1936 (staples rusted)
Vs Newport County 1936/7 (staples rusted)
Vs Aldershot 1936/7 (staples rusted, cover discoloured)
Vs Grimsby Town 1936/7 (staples rusted)
Vs Northampton Town 1936/7 (staples rusted)
Vs Torquay United 1936/7 (cover detached, staples rusted) Vs Brighton 1936/7 (cover detached, staples rusted)
Vs Bournemouth 1936/7 (staples rusted)
Vs Mansfield Town 1937/8 (minor age toning) Vs Notts County 1938/9 (staples rusted_)
Vs Newport County 1937/8 (staples rusted) Vs Liverpool 1937/8 (staples rusted)
Vs Brighton & Hove 1937/8 (staples rusted)
Vs Bristol City 1937/8 (staples rusted)
Vs QPR 1937/8 (staples rusted)
Vs Clapton Orient 1937/8 (staples rusted)
Vs Northampton Town 1937/8 (staples rusted)
Vs Gillingham 1937/8 (staples rusted, pencil correction to team sheet) Vs Bristol City 1938/9 (staples rusted)
Vs QPR 1939 (staples rusted, some browning) Vs Newport County 1939 (staples rusted)
Vs Aldershot 1940 (light browning)
Vs Dartford 1939 – friendly
Vs Watford 1939 – with ticket (light browning)
Vs Arsenal 1939 (light browning)
Vs Watford 1938/9 (staples rusted, printing fault to centre page)
Vs Northampton T 1938 (light spotting)
Vs Bournemouth 1938/9 (staples rusted)
Vs Aldershot 1938/9 (staples rusted, minor foxing)
Vs Torquay Utd 1938/9 (minor foxing)
Vs Notts County 1935/6 (staples rusted)
England XI vs The Army 1940 – FA Red Cross Fund Match (browning)
Corinthians vs West Ham FA Cup 3rd round with two tickets (tickets caused browning to team sheets) Casuals vs Ilford 1936 FA Amateur Cup Final (foxing, staples rusted)
Romford vs Erith & Belvedere 1937/8 Amateur Cup Semi Final Reply (staples rusted, browned) Dulwich H vs Tooting & Mitcham 1937/8 Surrey Senior Cup Final Tie
Arsenal
vs Sunderland 1934/5 (staples rusted, cover detached)
vs Millwall 1940 (one leaf, nicks and creases)
vs Everton 1938/9 with crudely torn ticket (staples rusted) vs Blackpool 1939
Chelsea
Vs Portsmouth 1935 (folded staples rusted)
Vs Everton 1936 (spotted and stained to covers) Vs Leeds Utd 1938 (browning and curling to edges) Vs Bolton Wandereds 1939 (minor age toning)
Vs Everton 1939 (minor light bronwing)
Sheffield United
Vs Rotherham united 1940 – Football league (war) Cup Competition (minor foxing)
Millwall
Dulwich Hamlet vs Erith & Belvedere 1939 London FA Senior Cup Final Tie (browning)
Everton
Vs Derby County 1938/9 (browning and minor offsetting)
Carshalton Athletic
Vs Tooting & Mitcham 1932/3 with ‘Ball Fund’ receipt
Wimbledon
Vs Barnet 1938/9 (folded)
Vs Carshalton Athletic 1938/9 (folded, foxed at creases)
Bishop Auckland vs Leytonstone 1939 FA Amateur Cup Semi Final (folded, minor browning)
Fulham
Vs Bury 1936 (staples rusted, considerable staining) Vs Sheffield Wednesday 1939 (staples rusted)
Brentford
Vs Everton 1938-9 Vs Stoke City 1938/9
Ilford FC
Barking vs Walthamstow Ave 1939 Essex Senior Cup Final
Charlton Athletic
Vs Everton 1939 (staples rusted)
PO Engineers
5 various programmes
Walthamstow Avenue
Vs Dartford FC 1947/8
Vs Dagenham no date November 18th, no. 771 (one leaf creased, light browning) Vs Dulwich Hamlet 1939 (browning and foxing)
Vs Hastings & St Leonards 1938 (browning to cover)
Vs Sutton 1938 (browning to cover)
Vs Tunbridge Wells 1938 (pencil correction, heavy browning to covers)
Vs Stockport County 1938 (browning and foxing)
Vs Wealdstone 1939 (light browning)
Vs Clacton Town 1939 (light browning)
Vs Stockport 1952/3 FA Cup 3rd Round (light creasing)
Vs Ilford 1939 (browning and spotting)
Clapton FC
Vs Walthamstow 1938/9
Walton-on-Thames FC
Vs Sutton Utd 1938/9 (folded, substantial rust stain)
Stockport County
Vs Walthamstow 1938 (browning from newspaper clipping loosely inserted)
Epsom FC
Vs Grays Athletic 1938/9 (folded, minor browning)
Sutton United
Vs Barking 1938
Vs Walthamstow 1938 (foxing)
Vs Redhill 1938 (light foxing)
Vs Tooting & Mitcham Utd with ticket (foxing) Vs Leyton (light browning)
Vs Bromley 1932/3 (staples rusted)
Vs Redhill 1932/3 (foxing, staples rusted)
Vs PO Engineers 1935/6 (staples rusted)
Vs Southall 1935/6 (staples rusted)
Vs Enfield 1936/7 (foxed and browned)
Vs Kingstonian FA Cup 1936/7 (staples rusted)
Vs PO Engineers 1937 Surrey Charity Shield Final (staple rusted)
Vs Hersham 1937 with torn ticket (staple rusted)
Vs Leytonstone 1937/8 (fold browned)
Vs Hayes 1938 (staples rusted, cover soiled)
Vs Leytonstone 1939 (foxing, staple rusted)
Vs Golders Green 1939 Amateur Cup (staple rusted, some browning)
Godalming FC
Vs Sutton Utd 1938/9
Tooting & Mitcham Utd
Vs Sutton 1938
Vs Walthamstow Avenue 1938 (staple rusted)
Other
Harringay Arena Ice Hockey Greyhounds v Lions 1940
The Australians in England 1934 booklet
England v Scotland Amateur International 1939 at Dulwich Hamlet Football Club

Fantastic lot - estimate £60-100 - and sold for £8k plus nearly 30% comm.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:29 pm 
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Anyone know who got it... I tuned in..was amusing to see the auctioneer taking bids in the room about four grand behind the internet
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:45 pm 
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with commission £10352
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:25 am 
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Actually £9960. NO VAT charged
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Auchinleckian
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:44 am 
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Works out at neatly at about £100 per programme. There's some nice ones in there, but there's a good number of them with either rusted staples, browning, foxing etc. Somebody was willing to go high for them though, but I doubt at those prices and conditions it was a dealer?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:47 am 
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And about £3000 or more in Messrs Toovey's pocket. Nice work if you can get it. But good luck to them, lots like this don't come round every day.
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pafcprogs



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:04 pm 
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I would be surprised if it wasn't a dealer TBH

There were a few items in the opening blurb that weren't on the full listing and there were some beauties in there ....Corinthians v West Ham tickets x 2 plus programme caught my eye.

I don't know enough about non league pre war to say if it is a bargain or not.

If it was a Palace fan then he can probably offset a fair chink of his ( or her) outlay with the rest and take the average cost down.

But as Peter H says...not often such lots come around...almost fifty viewers on saleroom.

I wonder if we will see them again once collected collated etc...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:53 pm 
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We shall probably all be put out of our misery when the winner appears on Ebay shortly selling Palace homes in the late 1930's for over £100 when they might normally struggle to make £50 or £60. There are about 10 to 12 programmes into 3 figures (a few of those £200 plus) plus a couple of tickets (some of them were unsellable as they were akin to cloakroom tickets with 6d on them and no date and no club).

I also believe it was a dealer who probably paid about £3k too much.
However prices have been very strong at recent auctions so perhaps we will all be surprised.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:46 pm 
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As a Palace collector, I just like to have one home per (pre-war) season, and 1930's homes are not a hard area to collect. Most such stuff on ebay is over £100 but it's there if you want it.

To be honest, if the 1930s Palace homes were on ebay at circa £70 - £80 each, some might actually sell, rather than going round and round and round!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:52 pm 
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As you know dealers pay too much and then have to put them up for sale at unrealistic prices to recoup their outlay and as you rightly say they just go round and round. I wonder why they never learn. It is quite different if it is a collector as they should in theory beat a dealer but that of course depends on how deep the pockets are.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:04 pm 
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RoddyN wrote:
As you know dealers pay too much and then have to put them up for sale at unrealistic prices to recoup their outlay and as you rightly say they just go round and round. I wonder why they never learn. It is quite different if it is a collector as they should in theory beat a dealer but that of course depends on how deep the pockets are.


Surely if it keeps happening they are eventually selling them for profit, otherwise they wouldn't be able to keep buying new stock ? Either that or dealers have literally £1000's worth of stock that they can't sell because they overpaid for it ? Which I doubt.....
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