Chelsea's Golden Ticket!!

[PompeyPhil]

Following on from the last article relating to the sale of Chelsea tickets on Ebay I spotted this one and followed it to the end!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1313.....EBIDX%3AIT

Still find it unbelievable the values being reached........£192 for a 1946/47 Chelsea home ticket.....Pompey finished 12th and Chelsea 15th that season!!

[Dorking]

I think tickets is the new programmes.

Maybe one day when 'collectors' have exhausted what tickets they can realistically obtain they will move onto fag cards or badges and make me rich!

Luckily I have got most of the 'interesting or important' Palace tickets that I want, so I don't need to go silly, although a 1976 Cup run away at Millwall did go for over £40 not that long ago.

[Dorking]

This Chelsea ticket (1992 zds cup) went for £111



I can only assume 2 completists needed it badly as it wasn't a 'winning cup run' nor a 'special match' for either team

[Dorking]

Chelsea champions season 1955



£796

To be fair its truly in mint condition.

[PompeyPhil]

Funnily enough I get the price paid for the 1955 ticket, taking into account the opposition as well but not the zenith data ticket! Funny old game......Dorkings example is winning so far....must be a Chelsea or man utd fan on here with a better example of Chelsea's golden ticket? Wink wink!

[Jim LFC]

Unbelievable!!

Maybe the Chelsea chairman is starting his own private collection?!!

[RoddyN]

Still find it unbelievable the values being reached........£192 for a 1946/47 Chelsea home ticket...


I was speaking to one of the leading Chelsea collectors recently and he explained that one of the reasons that they are going do high is that there were only 5000 seats pre 1965 and that there were about 4000 season ticket holders hence leaving only about 1000 tickets on the day so if there are 2 or 3 people after them they can achieve quite high prices. Be careful though. They don't all reach those prices.

[PompeyPhil]

Thanks for that roddy that makes more sense now!!

[manchesterunitedman1]

Dorking wrote:

Chelsea champions season 1955 £796 To be fair its truly in mint condition.

To be fair there is not a hope in hell that this money can ever be recouped!, the underbidder will no doubt in the cold light of day realised how close he came to paying several hundred nicker over the odds.

I have paid good money over the years for tickets with £2000 once being a red mist moment so i know what it can be like but that was for a game on the other side of the world where no programmes were officially produced-that is my excuse and i am sticking to it.

If anyone wants to pay me near to £800 each for championship home tickets for Manchester United during 1951-2, 1955-6, 1956-7 then form an orderley que!



I think i would be waiting for a very, very long time indeed!.

At FSA in Luton last year someone paid £1250+ around 20% for a City v United Charity Shield ticket from just 1956! total, total madness.

[RoddyN]

It was actually the underbidder of the Chelsea v Manchester United ticket to whom I was talking recently and he did not rubbish the ticket as many underbidders have the tendency to do so and said that he had never seen this ticket appear before and he will bid as aggressively again to get the ticket if it appears again. I am presuming Leslie that you neither possess this ticket nor the Charity Shield ticket that went for good money at the FSA auction. No doubt your response will be "not at that price". It appears that there are some who are prepared to do so and that clearly is where the market is for the moment and particularly if the ticket is indeed as scarce as described by the underbidder.

[manchesterunitedman1]

RoddyN wrote:

It was actually the underbidder of the Chelsea v Manchester United ticket to whom I was talking recently and he did not rubbish the ticket as many underbidders have the tendency to do so and said that he had never seen this ticket appear before and he will bid as aggressively again to get the ticket if it appears again. I am presuming Leslie that you neither possess this ticket nor the Charity Shield ticket that went for good money at the FSA auction. No doubt your response will be "not at that price". It appears that there are some who are prepared to do so and that clearly is where the market is for the moment and particularly if the ticket is indeed as scarce as described by the underbidder.

Never presume. Ur right I do not have one of the 1956 charity shield tickets, I have 3. Furthermore I have a matching pair of seats for the 1952 charity shield and to my limited knowledge only these two have ever emerged.
I never tell anyone what not to pay it is not my cash but there has to b an element of common sense unless u have so much cash u do not care if u r paying prices that can not be realised again.
let's move on as I have no intention of debating this madness I made my views known and will not change it.

[BAZZABAGGIES]

This is what you call a ticket..

[gatfb]

Chelsea tickets went mad about 18 months or so ago when some wealthy individuals who had never really bothered with tickets turned their attention to them. I can only assume that they had collected everything else and tickets were all that were left.

It's been a double edged sword for me as in the main I'm not prepared to pay silly money (exception being Burnley V Chelsea 69/70 FA Cup and CFC v Moscow Dynamo 1945) and so my collecting has virtually drawn to a halt but, I have managed to jump on the bandwagon a few times and achieved some very nice prices.

[Wullie]

These tickets may be scarce , but once word gets around then I'm in no doubt many more will come out of the woodwork. Then once the people willing to pay very large amounts have obtained theirs, prices will drop substantially. Either that or they will by on a Buy It Now for ever and ever at a eye watering price, the seller dreaming of the day another fat wallet enters the hobby....

[treble99]

If you pick your way through all these threads you vcan see what collecting is all about imo

I keep seeing the words "silly prices" and i cannot get my head round it.
One poster admits he can't afford to pay silly prices but is happy to sell his collection at silly prices
That just tells me that he is no longer a collector and has now become a marketmaker
There are plenty of Manchester United that come up that i consider more than i want to pay but i don't consider them silly
I don't immediately give up and try and sell what i have
I wait to see if another one eventually appears no matter whether it is a programme,menu or some obscure piece of ephemera

As a colleague often tells me "where there's one there' two"

We have all had the red mist and paid more than we intended
We paid it because we were happy to at that time and the longer we don't see it again the more satisfied we come
If it does turn up again and sells we more we feel smug
If it sells for less we feel daft

There is of course the other side of the fence
The bargain
They are still about even if they are getting harder to find
t an auction house in Manchester about 6 months ago i picked up what was described as a scrapbook about the Manchester United goalkeeper in the first World War,Jack Mew.I paid £300 ish for it
I suspect some fish and chip shop merchants might consider it silly but i translate that to "i can't afford to lay that out"
It was not only about him but was actually his own personal scrapbook
It included 6 x first world war Manchester United programmes currently selling at £1500/2000 each
A menu from a testimonial dinner(got to be worth £1000/2000)
A main stand ticket from Manchester United v Southport Central in the war league from 1917/18 season(anybody want to put a silly price on it?there won't be two of these)
4 professionally taken club photos from that era(maybe £2000)
About 30 "you have been selected to play for Manchester United" cards at say £50/100 each
A pass to the away team dressing room at Goodison
Unlimited newspaper artcles
Autographs from the 1920's

So the bargains are to be had

I see people describing tickets as the new programme
Really!!
How many people,me included paid a pound or two 25/30 years ago for a 1960's programme
These programmes are now worth nothing
They have been worth nothing for the last 5 years and they will be worth nothing in 5 years time
How many people,me included,pay £3/4 for a current season programme with the knowledge that you wife is going to give you a bollocking for trying to hide 50 or so programmes,plus tickets,pus teamsheets plus newspapers in a fornicating huge plastic box that gives you a hernia every time you try to move it
You then check how many more of these boxes you can get in the room before you think the floor will collapse
You then work out how long you might live and convince yourself it is not a problem
Then if that is you then you are a true colector

If you were given a collection of 1940's or 1950's about 20 years ago by an uncle or a friend and you still have them and you still go to programme fairs in the hope that one of the dealers might have slipped up whilst fully realising they won't.
You can't afford to pay the high prices that are asked because of your financial circumstances,then you are a true collector

If you have sold or are selling because you have given up on ever finding another item for your collection then you are an ex collector

If you just live on forums like this waiting to pounce on newbies and sell them the above noted programmes worth nothing for a quid each then you are a bedroom bandit

So which are you and what profiles have i missed

[Tynie Topics]

I think the term “silly price” is a valid description in some cases, maybe “inflated price” would be less controversial.

I’ve seen two collectors fight over a programme on ebay that everyone and their dug thought to be a £300/£400 programme at best, it went for £1,800. That was an inflated price.

The old adage “where there is one, there’s two” came true, and a week later the under bidder secured his copy for £1,750.

Where’s there’s two, there’s three, the third one which appeared a week later, failed to sell at £950, and went back into that persons collection. He decided the opportunity to make four figures was too good to miss but the opportunity had passed. Nobody bid.

So, this “silly price” was not where the market is now at, the price was artificially inflated temporarily by two deep pocketed collectors who wanted it badly at the same time, nothing wrong with that, if you have the cash and are happy to part with it then great it’s your choice, but it bears little reality to the actual accepted value/rarity of the item.

When it comes up again it will probably return to the £300/£400/£500 mark (unless another two go head-to-head). It is not a programme worth four figures despite what the last available “sales figure” indicates.
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[treble99]

I'm glad you're not in the oil business

which is the real price,which is the inflated price and which is the deflated price
The $120+ it was or the $60 it is

I suppose where there's one barrel of oil there is two

Joking aside the rarity is key
When there are known to be several programmes,tickets,menus in existence you are trying to find somebody that will part for it at a price
Where there is only one you won't get a true collector to part at any price unless they have made a decision to give up

[Tynie Topics]

treble99 wrote:

I'm glad you're not in the oil business which is the real price,which is the inflated price and which is the deflated price The $120+ it was or the $60 it is I suppose where there's one barrel of oil there is two Joking aside the rarity is key When there are known to be several programmes,tickets,menus in existence you are trying to find somebody that will part for it at a price Where there is only one you won't get a true collector to part at any price unless they have made a decision to give up

Well I guess there is (for the moment) an indefinite supply of oil!

This particular programme is rare, but not impossible, most serious collectors will have a copy which therefore has an affect on selling value.

If an item appears which has never been seen before, or for which only a handful of copies are known to exist (this also goes for tickets), then I guess there is no limit to where it could go price wise.

I wouldn't consider that to be "silly" or inflated as there may not be any previous or recent sale to measure it against.
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[MINSTERMAN]

There are some great entries on this thread. I’ve probably been a bit of everything in terms of Treble99’s profiles, but after 40 years of building my collection it’s now a case of c’est la vie when it comes to accepting weird and wacky prices. Some perceived good stuff goes cheap, some modern 'run of the mill' stuff stuff goes crazy, that’s how it is. A bargain might be around the corner, who knows?

I've said all along that you pay what you can afford, so one man’s silly price may be another man’s bargain. Just accept that the item might lose a lot of its value as soon as you buy it, be prepared to write that ‘loss’ off, and to me you then have the essence of collecting. Modern season stuff is a staple of most collections, I buy mine and psychologically write the cost off just as I would do if I bought a pint at the local.

Buy it because you want it, enjoy it while you have it, and don’t buy it if you’re going to fret about what it cost and worry about how much of the price you’ll recoup if you ever sell it.

What the Chelsea ticket has sold for demonstrates supply and demand. If two guys with deep pockets and deep determination bid up an item ,then that's what the item is worth at that time. Once the auction has finished, the price might plummet, as the ‘new’ value might be the second underbidders top bid. Then again, another might not turn up.

I recently bought a bit of a holy grail for me, a ticket from the Newcastle/York semi final replay from 1955. I paid £60-ish, big money for me, but I’m thrilled. It might not hold its purchase value, but I’m really not bothered, the essence of collecting is that I wanted it, managed to track it down, and paid what I could afford.

Happy new year to everyone on the forum, it's a great place to be.

[PompeyPhil]

I concur with your post Minsterman.....there has been some great responses to this thread, I started it not to cause an argument but to encourage responses and views. I've been collecting for years now and am still amazed at the prices reached particularly in relation to Pompey items.....just when I think I've got prices sussed.... up pops something else that blows that price out the water!! Its a great hobby and this forum adds to the enjoyment....their are some fantastic collections out there and this site/flicker etc allows collectors like myself to take a butchers!! Keep it up and Happy New Year to all of you!!