Liverpool European tickets and testimonial tickets

[swnydwr]

Had a look to see how my collection progressed this year - not much at all to be honest due to silly prices being paid by people with more money than myself.

So I have decided to offer up my collection on ebay. Some may say its a bit overpriced but the amount of time and effort put in to getting that far is immeasurable.

anyway have a look and see what you think

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271722835835

[treble99]

i am sure this will be accepted the "wrong " way and i assure you it is not meant to be
It is an honest observation

I understand that you are struggling to find items for your collection as others are prepared to pay more than you
That happens,at some time to every collector me included
However to accuse those that will pay more than you as "paying silly prices" is just not fair
By the sounds of it these prices are so far above your pocket that there must be more or several people above you
That is not silly
That is the current market isn't it

But you then compound it by saying that you have decided to sell up(which is fair enough) but your asking price might be considered overpriced but then you explain the work you have put in.
Do you mean that you are asking a silly price or your price that you consider fair?

As an aside i would be very surprised if you get any interest anywhere near £6000 on a 3 day short sale on ebay which is notorious for two bob fish and chip shop merchants anyway

If you want their true market value list them individually at £3.99 each on the current 100 free listing and see where they go
I suspect that £2000/3000 might be closer than the silly £6k they are currently on at
Or try one of the several leading successfull sports auction houses that are currently realising silly prices
The commission might be less than ebay plus paypal anyway if wisely negotiated

[swnydwr]

Hi Trebs

No offence taken - silly prices is my term for out of my price range

I do not expect them to sell and if it does then happy days.

Its frustrating not been able to afford to complete a collection which I'm sure hits most collectors at one time or another as Im sure you will appreciate.

Cheers John

[Auchinleckian]

I fully concur with Ray's evaluation. It matters not a jot what kind of effort you've put into getting the collection together, it won't put a penny on their value.

£6,000 for 90 odd tickets works out at over £65 each. There's simply no way they are worth anything like that.

I remember getting a good number of mid 1960's LFC European home tickets at the Southport Fair about 15 years back when I bought a collection of LFC programmes. It wasn't until I got home that I realised there were tickets in all the European homes. I put them in PM, more out of hope hope than anything, and was very pleasantly surprised to get around £30 each for them. Don't know whether they have got any dearer or cheaper nowadays with the advent of the internet?

Wish you well with your sale, and you may get a bid, but I would be so very surprised if you did. I'd do as advised and put them into one of the specialist auction houses - you'll know how to list them, season by season perhaps after the early 1970's. Again, I think £2k maximum is a much more realistic valuation.

[manchesterunitedman1]

I think it may be considered stating the obvious that there have been occassions where Treble and i have not always read from the same page, BUT his eloquent reply to the seller of his Liverpool tickets has to be 101% ded spot on.

There is nothing that i could add to his carefully and correctly worded post.

From my own perspective after viewing the merchandise on ebay if you think that laying 6 tickets down on a table and expecting someone to be rushing to pay six thousand pounds is quite staggering, it is like going into a high class tailors and asking to see a suit for £6k and the asssitant pulls it out of a black bin liner that was lying on the floor and all crumpled up!. A decent image of each item even if it has blemishes as it simple to explain, generally i would say the seller has made insufficient effort to attract customers especially with a high"ticket" price.

Presentation of any paper items be it a 50p buss ticket or a United European Cup away ticket worth several thousand pounds has to be displayed and offered[if for sale or even for personal consumption] in a far better way than the ebay photos show and although i know little to nothing of the value of Liverpool tickets in Europe what i do know is for that kind of money i would have done a little piece of a write up on each one with the result, scorers, attendance and laid it down to look a lot more "important" and impressive.

No doubt i will receive some citical response from the same old quarters but i will tell you this, apart from the fact i really do not care at all as it is an opinion and it is mine, to the seller maybe look at how other forum members who have flickr sites or other www lay out their collections.

Not wishing to change the subject at all but to incorporate the current post into "proving" that good representation and for very little effort or even time allowed to do it can bring a mass of interest, which leads me to my final remarks on the matter in that i have 10,444 images on my flickr site and today up to 22.16pm ALL of them have been viewed between once and 70 times bar about 20 so that is 10,424 viewing today amounting to just over 18,000 views in one day and that is no where near some previous days when high's topped 32,000 and to date the total viwing figures are now well in excess of 4 million and i attribute a lot of this not only to the scarcity of some items but to the way the items are laid out and some with comments in a manner to make even the most uninteresting modern item look interesting as it maybe grouped with others as to do so without a shadow of a doubt that just taking a little extra time to give something a good chance to impress is surely better than placing 20-30 bits of crumpled paper on a desk with all sorts of other distractions in the shot and demanding £6k. I have lots of modern items from the 1970/80/90/2000's all with little or no value but they all add up to the "jigsaw" of the club's history.


I will start my countdown for the ABU 8rs to arrive, one, two, three, four...... [pity that little minx Carol V and her tight skirt are no longer on there anymore!]

Believe it or not my comments were meant to be constructive not critical if you want to sell something you need to display it well especially as your looking for several £1000!, then again what do i know about anything eh.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsjet6gxV
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjeAJEPs
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjeBHmpE
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjoUc7Ex
https://flic.kr/s/aHsjeBFULY
to mention just a few items

[Tynie Topics]

I have no opinion either way on prices, my only observation is why sell your collection?

I'm at the stage now with my Scotland collection that I'm not going to add too much to it, programmes I need are hard to come by and when they do, I may only be able to afford one or two a year.

With my Hearts v Hibs, it's at a standstill apart from adding current season, as the three post war I need are also difficult to come by and when they do, I may get outbid.

However, no way would I think about selling.
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[Tynie Topics]

I also agree with Leslie ( ) that if you want £6k for your collection, you need to consider presenting it in a more organised manner than what you have done, and consider that ebay may not be the best environment in which to sell.
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[manchesterunitedman1]

Tynie Topics wrote:

I also agree with Leslie ( ) that if you want £6k for your collection, you need to consider presenting it in a more organised manner than what you have done, and consider that ebay may not be the best environment in which to sell.

whaaaaaaaaaaat

Not 1st April is it?

[Tynie Topics]

Thought that would catch you on the hop
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[manchesterunitedman1]

Tynie Topics wrote:

Thought that would catch you on the hop

[Tynie Topics]

manchesterunitedman1 wrote:

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[martino]

[quote="Tynie Topics"]I have no opinion either way on prices, my only observation is why sell your collection? UNQUOTE

Agreed. You never know what will be coming up on E Bay or at auction.

Previous threads have covered the subject of a quick decision to sell up only to regret it later.

[Pete’s Picture Palace]

[quote="martino"]

Tynie Topics wrote:

I have no opinion either way on prices, my only observation is why sell your collection? UNQUOTE Agreed. You never know what will be coming up on E Bay or at auction. Previous threads have covered the subject of a quick decision to sell up only to regret it later.

Yes, but until you know the guy's circs we all need to defer judgment.

[littlewiggy]

Very interesting thread and lots of sensible comments.

None more so than Leslie's 'presentation is everything' adage.
Couldn't agree more wholeheartedly with that.

As a keen ticket collector and regular purchaser myself, I loathe ticket adverts accompanied by digi camera images.
In my humble opinion, the only method in which to satisfactorily photograph a ticket is via a scanner at high resolution (min 300pxls).

That is the only way to get a good overall look at the item with no distractions, as good almost as if you were handling the bugger in the flesh with a magnifying glass in your other hand.

I do this for every one of my 1100+ Newport tickets, just for my own perusal too, even the modern ones that are worth less than a packet of Polo mints.

This is in no way a slight at Swnydwr mind you, so apologies if it comes across that way, he may not have access to a scanner of course.


PS. Great bunch of tickets though, some real LFC beauts there.

[Tynie Topics]

I'd actually say that a good pic on your camera phone these days is every bit as good as a scanner image, if not better, as long as you keep the resolution high, decent background and crop it well.
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[littlewiggy]

I can't agree that any hand-held device can deliver an image as true and as 'real' as a scanner Tynie.

A decent res scan, cropped and properly sized allows you (the potential customer) to examine every imperfection as if you were buying in person ...

[Tynie Topics]

littlewiggy wrote:

I can't agree that any hand-held device can deliver an image as true and as 'real' as a scanner Tynie. A decent res scan, cropped and properly sized allows you (the potential customer) to examine every imperfection as if you were buying in person ...

I have found to my cost that scanned images can be "manipulated", a little brightening here, a little tweak of the contrast there.

In my experience that is harder (though not impossible) to do to an actual high res photo of the item, and most cameras on modern phones can produce a higher res image than a basic scanner.

Any item I sell on ebay is a photo these days (I used to scan), make sure you have a good background, the pic is square on and cropped neatly.

All that said, either method is good, and in both cases the preparation is the key. A poor pic or scan doesn't help sell the item.
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[littlewiggy]

Yes you're not wrong Tynie, very good points to be fair.

Even a basic photoshop programme could make my grubby Wrexham ticket appear bright, clean and free of creases if so desired.

I think the sellers that annoy most are those that think a fuzzy, dreadfully out of focus image will suffice, where you can't even decipher the printed details on the ticket being offered.
Let alone any blemishes.

Surely it's in your interests as a seller to produce the best image you can?
I know when I flog bits on eBay now and then, I put more effort into producing a good image/s than I do anything else.

[Tynie Topics]

littlewiggy wrote:

Yes you're not wrong Tynie, very good points to be fair. Even a basic photoshop programme could make my grubby Wrexham ticket appear bright, clean and free of creases if so desired. I think the sellers that annoy most are those that think a fuzzy, dreadfully out of focus image will suffice, where you can't even decipher the printed details on the ticket being offered. Let alone any blemishes. Surely it's in your interests as a seller to produce the best image you can? I know when I flog bits on eBay now and then, I put more effort into producing a good image/s than I do anything else.

Aye, some pics or scans are downright ridiculous, and people think they will sell the item!
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