Bound programmes

[tackler7]

Has anyone bound the programmes in their collection?

What are the advantages and pitfalls?

I've complete seasons and occassionally think they would be better bound together but always decide against it - am I right in doing so?

[derby1884]

I've done this on a couple of occasions - when Wimbledon entered the league in 1977, I subscribed to the home programmes for their first couple of seasons. The club dutifully sent me all the issues, league games, cup games, 4pp friendlies, s/s friendlies, even the odd reserve game. In 1980, I met a bookbinder at a fair who said he'd bind them for a reasonable price. Blue with gold lettering. Back they came - and, as a period piece, each volume still looks terrific.

But I'd never do this with any of my "serious" collections - cos once bound, they can't ever be unbound.

Bought a couple of other bound volumes just for the hell of it.
Aldershot 68/9 homes and Arsenal 51/2 homes (1st team/reserves/"other" games)

Nice items to have - but I'mwell aware the value of it is not the same as the value of owning eachparticular programme "loose" so to speak.

So - don't bind is my advice.

[andy1966]

Everton have always produced bound volumes of their programmes, usually limited for Directors of the club. I collect them but as an addition to the single editions.

I am not sure I could imagine splitting a volume up or indeed binding single editions into a volume. It is easier to follow a season's progress in a volume, I suspect less wear and tear also

[Red C]

Conscious of what derby1884 says about a bound volume not being undone.

Does anyone have experience of removing programmes from a bound volume? I recently bought a bound volume at auction. It is as described, so I've got no problem, but I'd much rather have them loose.

Is there any way of removing them from the book? I'm happy to pay for the service, but if it will ruin them then I won't bother.

Any help much appreciated!

[manchesterunitedman1]

andy1966 wrote:

Everton have always produced bound volumes of their programmes, usually limited for Directors of the club. I collect them but as an addition to the single editions. I am not sure I could imagine splitting a volume up or indeed binding single editions into a volume. It is easier to follow a season's progress in a volume, I suspect less wear and tear also

Everton used to advertise in thier match programmes in the mid 1940's that they have bound volumes of the clubs first team programmes for sale from the season prior at ten shillings and siz pence[52p!!] great times I wonder how many supporters purchased them!

Leslie Millman-manchesterunitedman1

[slightfold]

I'd never have programmes bound, as the process to hold them all together usually involves making some holes and/or glue to make a book. The older ex-bound programmes which we sometimes come across which have been seperated invariably have spine edge damage to varying degrees, and are often minus their covers. Mind you if there one you really need then you maybe have to accept the damge and get it repaired? If they hadn't been bound then they would not have had that damege! But I'd definitely keep them seperate.

[manchesterunitedman1]

Red C wrote:

Conscious of what derby1884 says about a bound volume not being undone. Does anyone have experience of removing programmes from a bound volume? I recently bought a bound volume at auction. It is as described, so I've got no problem, but I'd much rather have them loose. Is there any way of removing them from the book? I'm happy to pay for the service, but if it will ruin them then I won't bother. Any help much appreciated!

Hi There

Yes i have details of where to go to get the programmes removed safely, carefully and professionally and not at crazy high prices-just send me a PM for the details.

Of course this can be done but it also depends WHO bound them and when, if it was the printer themselves it matters as the method they used as some would use a little adhesive down the left hand side of the cover and some would not, so those that did it can take away the print-so much will depend on this, if they are United volumes from the 1960-70-80's they are not worth attempting as they have little value[UNLESS they have any of the rare potponed ones in there!], if on the other hand they are from the 1950's United's printers Sidney F Wicks DID use some adhesive on the earlier 1950's that i have but not on the later 1950's or aftwerwards. Hope this assists.

Personally i like to have both where i can and if any United BV have shown up over the years and i was in the right place at the right time then i tried to get them but i can see other collectors may think differently. Recently a set of 1950's came up at Auction and were then sold to someone who ripped them apart and sold them seperately but there were a few traces on the spine where some paper loss had ocurred, anyway the only way you will know is to let an expert handle them and then give his considered opinion to you and let you know if any what pitfalls there may be and then it is your decision what's next!

Leslie Millman-manchesterunitedman1

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[goodison]

If you look on ebay for ex-bound you can see the damage that having been in a binder does to the spine, if they're already bound then personally I would keep them that way unless you have a desperate need to remove them.

[manchesterunitedman1]

slightfold wrote:

I'd never have programmes bound, as the process to hold them all together usually involves making some holes and/or glue to make a book. The older ex-bound programmes which we sometimes come across which have been seperated invariably have spine edge damage to varying degrees, and are often minus their covers. Mind you if there one you really need then you maybe have to accept the damge and get it repaired? If they hadn't been bound then they would not have had that damege! But I'd definitely keep them seperate.

Yes your correct especially re spine damages, but those programmes that were bound with NO covers were usually 99.99% Pre-War. A set was at Graham Budds 2 years or so ago for Manchester United for 1935-1936 the season they won the 2nd Division title with NO COVERS, individually they would sell for in a good condition for between £300-375 each with covers, as this bound volume had no covers and i think a punched hole through one one or more of them not certain and it sold for just several hundred pounds. The buyer was a dealer and had them split up, sold them on ebay piecemeal and got £50 for one or £70for another type of thing or figures around that area-i think there were 23 in total for the season worth individually with covers over £8000 and he got just over a £1000 for them-made a profit but should have never bothered really, the volume would have best left as it was, i decided not to bid for it due to no covers and punched holes and even if it had been saved and kept together it would still have been worth not much more than the ebay seller got and no where near it's true value as individual programmes as there was an England Possibles v Probables Trial Match at MUFC in there as well which would fetch a bit more from England specialist collectors perhaps but sold for £50! or so. Leslie Millman-manchesterunitedman1

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