Leeds Utd v Hibs European matches FAO Leeds collectors

[hibernian]

Can anybody confirm that no league review was inserted in the programme for the fairs cup match on 20/12/67.?

Also I have been advised that FLR number 809 was loosely inserted in the Uefa cup programme dated 24/10/73, again can anybody confirm this

Thanks in advance for any help

[Footyfan]

I am a Leeds Utd collector and have both the programmes you refer to. Neither have the FLR magazine inside. The FLR was a weekly publication and as far i know, and from my own collection Leeds did not use the FLR in midweek issues.

However, the FLR mags closest to the 2 games are:

1967/68 Vol 2 No 18 Week ending 16 Dec 1967 or Vol 2 No W/E 19 Dec 23 1967

1973/74 Issue 809 was used in the Leeds v Liverpool 20 Oct 1973.

Hope the above helps

[hibernian]

Thanks for the reply footyfan.
However Leeds did include the review in the european programme v Partizan Belgrade in 67/8 season hence my question re the Hibs issue.

I must add that I have never seen a review in any of the other Leeds euro homes from that season but someone out there may know different.

[Footyfan]

Hi,

In addition to my collection I have lots of spare copies of Leeds European homes from the late 1960s, including 3 x Partizan Belgrade and none have FLR inside. The FLR closest to the Belgrade game are Vol 2 No 16 (2 Dec 67) and Vol 2 No 17 (9 Dec 67). These mags are in Leeds Utd v Stoke (2 Dec) and Liverpool v Leeds (9 Dec)

When the FLR was issued for League games it was always stapled inside, never loose (tucked inside).

Therefore, I suggest that if you have (seen) a Partizan Belgrade with a FLR inside it has probably been added after the event.

[hibernian]

I have looked out my copy and it has review number 16 stapled inside.
I have also seen this programme on ebay in the past which in the description included the review.
I looked at it closely and to my eye it looks as if it was there all the time.It fits in perfectly with the rest of the programme.
I can't see why it would be inserted after the game !!!

[Footyfan]

Simply because some collectors liked to add the FLR to their programmes, particularly those clubs who did not issue the FLR with the programme. I like to add a ticket stub and match report, always have done.

I have been a Leeds collector since 1963 and can state categorically, that Leeds only started to use the FLR in the 1967/68 season, before that it was sold separately outside the ground.

When the FLR was in the programme it was stapled in after page 4 with the remaining pages on top of the FLR meaning you would have to remove the staples and 4 pages to remove it. It would fit perfectly as the FLR was the same size as the Leeds home programme.

The FLR you refer to was in the preceding League Home game versus Stoke City (2 Dec),the FLR was a weekly publication (Saturday to Saturday). However it may well be that the printer had a double lot so used it in the Partizan programme, but as I say I have not got it in my copy nor in any of the spares I have. What I can say for definite is that I bought my collection copy at the game without a FLR stapled inside, I like the FLR so I would definitely not have removed it from the prog if it was there..

[Footyfan]

I have done a bit more investigation with my own collection of Leeds and in the 1967/68 season Leeds played 4 FLC ties midweek (Bury, Luton, Stoke and Derby) and all 4 programmes have the FLR stapled inside. FLR Nos 5, 9, 17 and 25 respectively.

There does appear to be a trend where if Leeds played away on the preceding Saturday so no home programme was issued the FLR from that particular week appeared in the midweek programme. Except for the Bury game when the preceding game was Chelsea (Home) but the programmes have different FLR (Chelsea No 8 & Bury No 9) the game after Bury was West Brom (Away) FLR No 9

This would make sense as the club would have signed up to take the FLR for the season.

As for the European Home games all with no FLR inside:

3 Oct Spora Luxembourg preceding game (p/g) West ham (away) No FLR

6 Dec Partizan Belgrade - p/g Stoke City (Lge) (H) FLR No 16

20 Dec Hibernian - p/g Sunderland (Away) FLR No 18

26 Mar Rangers - p/g Manchester City (H) FLR No 32

1 May Dundee - p/g Stoke City (Away) FLR No 37

The Final (Ferencvaros) was held over until August

The games after Partizan and Hibernian were:

9 Dec Liverpool (Away) FLR No 17

23 Dec Wolves (Home) FLR No 19

You will see from all of this that FLR Nos 16, 17 and 19 were all used in Leeds non-European Home games. That leaves No 18 for week ending 16 Dec 1967 and the Hibernian game was the week after that, the FLR for the Hibernian game if it was issued would have been No 19.

Finally, I fail to see why Leeds would have used No 16 (for Week Ending 2 Dec 1967) twice Stoke (H) and Partizan (Home). The Partizan issue would have been No 17 Week Ending 9 Dec 1967.

I hope all of the above makes sense.

[hibernian]

Yes it all makes sense mate, really appreciate your input.

HOWEVER I have just had a look on ebay ( completed listings) and lo and behold the partizan programme sold on 5/6/12 and in the description it states that the FLR is included, number 16.
Honestly, I was not the buyer as I have had the programme for years

You stated earlier that the FLR may have been inserted after the game.
I agree that it does not make sense that number 16 should be inserted, but I have one and as above another one was on ebay recently. I have also seen this issue in the past with the review included.
Is it not possible that number 16 was included in this and the previous issue and lots of buyers took it out off the partizan issue because they already had it from the game before ??????
Until we have had this debate I thought it was common knowledge that Partizan included the review, and I was only really interested in finding out about the Hibs issue especially and the others as I collect European winning runs.

[hibernian]

Just looked again on ebay and another completed listing for Partizan also included the review.
If you bought your copy at the match without the FLR then the plot thickens

[Footyfan]

What I find puzzling is why Leeds would use a FLR from the previous week which is what No 16 would be and also that Leeds did use issue No 16 for the Stoke City Home Game the previous Saturday.

The Partizan programme should have been FLR No 17 to follow the dates procedure correctly as No 16 was a week old and not current.

I think we have opened a can of worms here that can have no definitive answer. As stated earlier I have had my programmes from when the games were played and none of the 1967/68 European games included the FLR mag.