Remove rusty staples?

[McSporting]

What would the experts advise me to do about a reasonably valuable, otherwise perfect programme whose staples are beginning to go rusty?
Remove? Leave? Replace? Try to clean? Other?

[jonnyp]

I would definately remove staples but take great care not to cause further damage

Im not an expert though

[flashhat]

I remove anything showing signs of rust, as they won't improve over time, the longer you leave them in, the more it will eat away at your programme.
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[Wullie]

They shouldn't really go rusty if stored in proper condition. Keep you programmes in an acid free bag in a cool dry place.

[LCFCmatt]

Wullie wrote:

They shouldn't really go rusty if stored in proper condition. Keep you programmes in an acid free bag in a cool dry place.

...if you need some acid-free bags let me know!

[The SFC Chris]

Wullie wrote:

They shouldn't really go rusty if stored in proper condition. Keep you programmes in an acid free bag in a cool dry place.

That's all well and good if they are not rusty when you get them, but if you find a rare programme with rusty staples that you haven't ever seen, and buy it, you can't derust those staples.

[Tynie Topics]

The SFC Chris wrote:

That's all well and good if they are not rusty when you get them, but if you find a rare programme with rusty staples that you haven't ever seen, and buy it, you can't derust those staples.

But if you store them in dry conditions ie your house with central heating, they wont get any worse. If you store them anywhere where the atmosphere could be damp eg loft, garage, unheated shed, they will get worse.
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[McSporting]

Many thanks for all the comments. Interesting things rusty staples!
Obviously this particular one will have to go.
Now, where's the Swiss army knife?

[wdy11]

I always remove rusty staples. Would anyone recommend replacing them or just leaving them loose?

[Dorking]

Personally (and I must be the only person with this view) I'd rather have original staples intact, so that the item is held together, rather than no staples. Hate it when you're looking through the programme and all the pages are separate. If the staples are rusty, to me that is part of the item, and it shows the age of the original item. Part and parcel of the historic article to me.

Don't think anyone else thinks like this though!

[McSporting]

Dorking wrote:

If the staples are rusty, to me that is part of the item, and it shows the age of the original item. Part and parcel of the historic article to me.

Thanks Dorking. Yes indeed. A valid point. So I'm back to where I started!
So now I'm going to get down to the nitty-gritty and rephrase my original post.
Would an otherwise perfect 1966 World Cup Final programme be worth more with slightly rusty staples or without staples? Or is this type of dilemma just a question of personal taste?

[Wullie]

McSporting wrote:

Dorking wrote: If the staples are rusty, to me that is part of the item, and it shows the age of the original item. Part and parcel of the historic article to me. Thanks Dorking. Yes indeed. A valid point. So I'm back to where I started! So now I'm going to get down to the nitty-gritty and rephrase my original post. Would an otherwise perfect 1966 World Cup Final programme be worth more with slightly rusty staples or without staples? Or is this type of dilemma just a question of personal taste?

DO NOT REMOVE the staple. As already stated, if you place in an acid free bag and a dry environment, the programme will not deteriorate any further

[nozer]

One of the big drawbacks of this great hoby for me alonge with the dreaded Half/Time Scores & Team/Changes writen in.
Strange (to me anyway) but some collectors like these "faults", once again all down to personal choice i guess.
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[Tynie Topics]

Dorking wrote:

Personally (and I must be the only person with this view) I'd rather have original staples intact, so that the item is held together, rather than no staples. Hate it when you're looking through the programme and all the pages are separate. If the staples are rusty, to me that is part of the item, and it shows the age of the original item. Part and parcel of the historic article to me. Don't think anyone else thinks like this though!

You're not alone, thats my view as well.
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[The SFC Chris]

nozer wrote:

One of the big drawbacks of this great hoby for me alonge with the dreaded Half/Time Scores & Team/Changes writen in. Strange (to me anyway) but some collectors like these "faults", once again all down to personal choice i guess.

I don't like rusty staples, but I wouldn't feel comfortable removing them.

I really don't mind team changes in my programmes, as long as there is no writing on the front cover I am fine!

[Senior82]

I have started removing rusty staples from older programmes. They don't get any better and the rust just bleeds into the paper.

[Footyfan]

The questuion of rusty staples and other faults has been discussed on this Forum several times in the past.

I would draw you attention to 2 things:

There is an interesting article in the League Football magazine (1972-73 Issue No 904) re Roger Cleveland who was known as the "Programme King". The article tells about how is sold up his collection of 30,000 programmes...... The bulk of the programmes went to the now defunct British Programme Club in Hull, a very select organisation of serious collectors, run by the late Norman Lovett.

An interestingly enough he recommended removing staples from programmes to prevent rusting. A topic that has been hotly debated on this forum in the past.

Secondly, nearly all the major dealers state something along the lines of "rusty staples and team changes etc are not considered to be detrimental, unless badly written, in pre 1966 programmes..."

I believe there are a couple of sound reasons for setting 1966 as the date:

1. Collecting football memorabilia really took off after the 1966 World Cup win with the huge surge in interest in the game.

2. pre 1996 programmes are much harder to find for a lot of clubs, in my case Leeds Utd particularly 1960-1964, and therefore if you are too fussy you will find it difficult to complete seasons.

Finally, in common with a lot of collectors I tend to judge a programme by its front cover. I do not collect programmes with pin-holes, punch holes, tokens removed and writing on front covers etc

[Wullie]

The chemistry of the reaction resulting in the formation of rust can be summarized as follows.

The chemical equations for rust formation
1.2Fe(s) + 2H2O(l) + O2(g) ==> 2Fe2+(aq) + 4OH-(aq)
2.Fe2+(aq) + 2OH-(aq) ==> Fe(OH)2(s)
3.Fe(OH)2(s) =O2=> Fe(OH)3(s)
4.Fe(OH)3(s) =dehydrates=> Fe2O3.nH2O(s) or rust

The chemical formula for rust is Fe2O3.nH2O

therefore, avoid any of the above and you should be ok.

[Jake]

Wullie wrote:

The chemistry of the reaction resulting in the formation of rust can be summarized as follows. The chemical equations for rust formation 1.2Fe(s) + 2H2O(l) + O2(g) ==> 2Fe2+(aq) + 4OH-(aq) 2.Fe2+(aq) + 2OH-(aq) ==> Fe(OH)2(s) 3.Fe(OH)2(s) =O2=> Fe(OH)3(s) 4.Fe(OH)3(s) =dehydrates=> Fe2O3.nH2O(s) or rust The chemical formula for rust is Fe2O3.nH2O therefore, avoid any of the above and you should be ok.

My thoughts exactly. What could be simpler?

[Ruud Van Driver]

Wullie wrote:

The chemistry of the reaction resulting in the formation of rust can be summarized as follows. The chemical equations for rust formation 1.2Fe(s) + 2H2O(l) + O2(g) ==> 2Fe2+(aq) + 4OH-(aq) 2.Fe2+(aq) + 2OH-(aq) ==> Fe(OH)2(s) 3.Fe(OH)2(s) =O2=> Fe(OH)3(s) 4.Fe(OH)3(s) =dehydrates=> Fe2O3.nH2O(s) or rust The chemical formula for rust is Fe2O3.nH2O therefore, avoid any of the above and you should be ok.

Thanks for clearing that one up Wullie

The chemical formula for tea stain is...

To(t) a1 + B0110x

Hope this helps