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pompeypete
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:59 am 
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Super league…….RIP

But what are the ramifications
The Premier league has to make a stand or it will happen again.
If the clubs are getting deep & deeper in debt then something has to change.
Wage cap
Transfer fees
Agent fees
The big 6 and plenty of others will say the £100,s M debt is controlled (Like my mortage)
Just look at the end of year Finance figures……..its frightening !!
They can pay their debts …….but won,t.
Where as Pompey, Bournemouth, Bury etc……..couldn,t pay so was docked points
And that was right.

TAKE 10/15 POINTS OFF THEM FOR NEXT SEASON
That may deter them
If you sit back & do nothing, well you have been warned.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:05 pm 
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I agree with pompeypete. I think this may be just a stay of execution for the English Football system, whilst the Super League find another way around getting what they want. The money available seems to be going to the wrong clubs, i.e clubs that already have masses of money. It requires to be more evenly distributed, that does not mean to say, to bail out clubs that are badly money managed by directors etc. A big stand must be made and big penatlies imposed on clubs even considering breaking away decisions.
I hope we have heard the last of this so called Super League, but fear it is only just the start of bigger things to yet come. Greedy people are never satisfied with what they already have.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:08 pm 
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RIP nah ROT IN HELL YOU GREEDY EVIL BASTARDS!.

Boris will be bringing in new laws to govern football with a Regulator so this never can happen again.

Docking points will do what?, they threatened to leave the Champions League, not the Premiership or the FA Cup or the Carabou Cup albeit the strength of the teams may on occasions have been weaker for sure.

The pathetic apology by that stiff who owns Liverpool was shameful, back tracking continually and on 2 occasions spoke to the fans and said YOUR CLUB, not OUR CLUB.

Fenway is over in Liverpool-Glazers with nearly 500million debt they have put on United have nowhere to go-they all wanted the big pot of gold and then none of the 6 owners would ever give that up for ever. I expect those two to be bought out within 12 months, Chelsea-Arsenal-Tottenham-Manchester City ownership's will stay as is it.

They can make all the excuses they wish and that deluded old man in Madrid stating that his new scheme was to save football reminds me of the the Iraqi Foreign Minister, remember him being interviewed live on TV with the backdrop of the Coalition bombing the hell out of Baghdad
and that imbecile stating they are winning the war and destroying the infidels!, look what happened to them.
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martino



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:11 pm 
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I have just watched John W Henry's "apology" video to Liverpool fans.

What a joke.

If he thought he was doing this for the good of the Club why did they not float the idea with their fans first?

A lot of damage has been done in the last couple of days which will take a long time to repair.

Football fans have long memorys.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:18 pm 
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Deducting points from the Clubs would be unfair on the Managers, coaches, players and the supporters of each of those 6 Clubs.

It was their involvement that ended this diabolical new competition.

A possible way forward would be to bring in a law in England that Professional Football Clubs must have at least 1 person from a supporter trust on its Board of Directors and for that trust to own a shareholding of no less than 25% plus having a GOLDEN SHARE on a say of each Football Clubs ground that it plays on. Therefore safeguarding, at least, that the Club cannot sell its ground without having anywhere else to go.

As for the minimum 25% shareholding, I would like to see the English Clubs follow the German set up of 50% +1%. RB Leipzig, however, doesn't follow this set up, which is surprising!

The TRUST that these 6 have lost with the rest of the Football CLubs in the English pyramid, it isn't just the other 14 as the EPL evolves year on year, will take a huge amount of work to regain.

You'd hope, now, that the EPL and EFL will have some say on the creation of an overall regulatory body to set the rules that each Club must abide by.

Ownership of Clubs needs looking at.

The way TV money is filtered through the Clubs in the top tier and the rest of the Leagues need looking at.

The fees agents take out of football need looking at.

The lack of openess regarding transfers and fees need looking at.

The lack of powerfor opening up Club accounts to see whether FFP has been broken needs looking at.

Football needs to eveolve, as it always has, but under an independant body, not jobs for the boys who run the top 10/12 Clubs in England.

Change. That is what needs to happen. Urgently.
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Five and In



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:54 pm 
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All the owners / chief executives at the six clubs should be given an immediate lifetime ban from the game by FIFA, UEFA and the FA's of the countries involved.

It would hurt the clubs involved financially massively initially, but it would re-set the boundaries of the game for the future and hopefully people who have some morals come into those clubs and run them differently.

It won't happen though because money still talks and the governing bodies consistently prove that they are no better, but they need to rewrite the laws immediately to ensure this kind of treachery never happens again.

We have to find a way to get the actual people behind this out of the game for good as their actions are destroying the game we all love.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:16 pm 
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The Premier League wrote to all the breakaway clubs detailing the trophies that would be reclaimed if they left.


Tottenham are still waiting for their letter
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:45 pm 
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Brst thing fans of the "Big 6" could do is, next season, take yourselves off to your local non-league club instead, pay your entrance fee and know it'll at least be appreciated.
No point in paying £40 for a PL game and then moaning when your owners get greedy.
Stop feeding the monster!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:57 pm 
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So for the second time in two years the wantaway clubs have pulled back from the brink.


The first time was with the involvement of the FA, the second time seemingly behind their backs.

On both occasions the attempt, if that is what it was, crumbled before it had even started, which seems a little weak, given the strong signals being sent to all and sundry that this time it was a done deal and details such as length of involvement were leaked.

Coincidentally, or not, after the first attempt UEFA launch a review of the CL format. The second breakaway announcement was coincidentally, or not, timed just before the reveal of that plan.

There is no doubt that money has and will continue to change our game. In the earliest days football was an amateur sport and was dragged into professionalism by the northern clubs who sought to circumvent its amateur status by employing players in notional jobs so they could play for their team....

That there are backers for a franchise based scheme is undoubted. There are media companies hungry for content that will tie customers to them for long periods. Sport is expensive but not as expensive as making movies and TV series which do not constantly renew themselves.

Just because the attempt fizzled out this time does not mean they will be gone for long. And even a failed attempt can change a sport forever. Kerry Packers Cricket circus did not succeed in itself, but the game was changed forever and continues to be so.

Tradition and history counts for little either. After all, if you go back far enough you can make better cases for Huddersfield , Villa and Newcastle over the recent successes if Manchester City, and indeed the absence of recent success for Spurs with a trophy count less impressive than Cardiff and Wigan.

The vast majority of the audience in this country has only known the EPL, and that percentage grows by attrition each year. Financially the clubs are seeking a model whereby they can survive on the remote fan income, so for every torn up season ticket there will be hundreds if not thousands of subscribers from China, Japan, the USA Mexico and the Far East to replace and supplement them.

These things also evolve. There was no great love for European competition from the Uk authorities at the outset...and we have moved from one up to three tournaments and back down to two, with lucky loser entry into the secondary tournament and lucky winner qualification from the secondary to the primary. Things change, and when did they ever ask the fans if they were happy for it to do so. So why start now?

Even in the UK we have B teams playing in cup contests...albeit the Johnsons Checkatrade Waste of time cup....and despite the boycotts they still compete..... In Spain their are B teams in the league and Manchester City own clubs worldwide, whilst other owners harvest clubs and move players between them. The fans are secondary...Winter World Cup anyone?

So defeat, strategic retreat or mission accomplished? Time will tell, but expect a response from the current turf holders to retain the errant clubs, at least for the time being.....I predict the words seeding, achievement coefficient, and heritage being bandied around before a group of clubs similar to the ones named and shamed are granted some privileges that buys off the rebellion.....for now.

If not they will be back, with a better framed offer that delivers grass roots money beyond the crumbs that fall from the table currently, potentially bringing in other countries as well to make it more global. Dual player registrations.....or perhaps Chelsea, United, City et al run a dual club with a European squad and a League squad....rather than loan players round the world....and with them pre qualified the rest can compete for place in the Super League safe that they don't have to beat the big six....just their reserves....and even if they don't they can still qualify the the invitation places on offer....

Because if UEFA don't adapt then someone will try again, and eventually they will succeed....and if you do get a breakaway with money and reputation forget salary caps and restrictions on youth recruitment....players and agents will follow the money. Imagine a club with a super agent backing them....oh you don't have to...we have them already....Wolves Portuguese....

And how much would it cost to buy off the pyramid...Swindon would jump for a bag full of tenners tomorrow. Anyone who think Boris and co are remotely interested in football, rather than appearing bessie mates to their new red wall supporters is missing the point. How much time can and should they be spending on a sport that to use a Boris phrase, spaffs money up the wall, in the middle of a pandemic with a NHS health backlog that needs a fortune spending on it and an ecomomy to rebuild and recover from Brexit. How much would it take for someone like Amazon to say to Rishi lets bung you a few billion to fund grass roots sport and improve health outcomes by increasing activity and exercise levels. All we want is a few clubs to be able to play their games anywhere in the world and kick off when the Chinese are awake...not too much to ask is it?

Anyway, thats my view. The battle is ended but this is a temporary ceasefire. They owners are retreated Putin like along the UEFA border waiting for a response....

Watch this space, on SKY/Amazon/Netflix/Google. Straight after the mid table clash between Inter Miami and Manchester City Red Bulls.
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