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matt blue · Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 1521 Location: Coity

Having just bought the said item...from the pics does it look "all in order" ??

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Cheers

Matt

Barrett · Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject:

To be honest mate, it does look 'in too good condition'

craig · Site Admin Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Posts: 1349

Yeah, and the "Enter at turnstiles" just seems to be a bit off Laughing

Has it arrived yet

matt blue · Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 1521 Location: Coity

have it to hand now, have five or six people who am now checking with in person to confirm its all good....I have a 45 days refund on it so if it doesnt appear all it is its going back !

RobertD · Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 69

I've a few of these but mainly the green ones.

Tickets from this era were created using a system called "offset printing" or lith printing as its sometimes called.

The best way to tell is to look at the front of the ticket any writing in black should be crisp and sharp.
This ticket dows not have seat numbers as its a a standing area ticket but if it was a seating area then the seat numbers would have been rubber stamped on after the original printing.

Where it says "enter at turnstiles" the postition og this varied only slightly depending on the block letter that followed after.
Remember that in those days to change the block letter involved removing a whole line of "print set" and then reseting it to say exactly the same thing with just the block letter changed.
This is why the seat numbers on most tickets from this era are rubber stamped after it been printed.

Any further help please ask

R.Downing

matt blue · Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 1521 Location: Coity

It's not looking very good at the moment....a well known cardiff collector has had a look and given the thumbs down...meeting up with two others who have the actual same ticket this week....we shall see !!

craig · Site Admin Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Posts: 1349

Good luck mate! Hope its real though!

matt blue · Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 1521 Location: Coity

Yeah me to !!! - still at least i can get me ££ back if its not.

arsenal288 · Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Posts: 51

i do hope your not going to leave us on the edge of our seats!
we NEED to know the outcome Shocked

....steve.

matt blue · Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 1521 Location: Coity

Its definately a FAKE !!!...ive seen an original today and the number on the back on the original is stamped on, this one is printed...also the front is faded where as the original is a bold black ink

Back to the seller on ebay...and a refund to spend on other items !!

Barrett · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject:

Gutted for you mate.

How much did you end up paying him?

craig · Site Admin Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Posts: 1349

Matt was lucky and only paid £75. The first auction (also a fake) sold for £220 though... 2nd chance offers were made to Matt (£75 - which he took up), £85 to me, £110 and about £180.

One of teh £110 or £180 items were also purchased at a second chance offer which is why i have thought these items must be fake as why would the seller let Matt buy for just £75 when he could start a new auction and get around £200 again!!

Luckily Matt has done the leg work needed to find out that these are fake items - The buyer who paid £220 has been informed and is returning his item also and i will be hunting down the other person to inform him that his is also a fake.

RobertD · Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 69

you should have just read my advice above, I clearly state that numbers are stamped on afterwards.

The only numbers which will ever have been printed on on tickets of that age are

Gate, entrance, turnstile numbers.

any number unique to a individual ticket will have been stamped afterwards. The technique used to print these did not allow changing of number "mid-run".

The fading on black ink does happen over time and should not be a "deal breaker" if all else looks good.

So other than the printed numbers did it look fairly good

matt blue · Joined: 08 Jan 2009 Posts: 1521 Location: Coity

Hi Rob,

Taking onboard what you are saying the ticket had been bought, so your advice was very welcome....I had to check with other owners to ensure that they were fake...already had a refund aswell ...

RobertD · Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 69

Would you guys like me to write a guide on tickets from the 20s and 30s. If a moderator makes it a sticky then other experienced people could add to it to help prevent things like this.

craig · Site Admin Joined: 22 Nov 2014 Posts: 1349

Robert - if you could that would be excellent. It would become a new section on the site of which there are loads. Ive just spent a week sat around a pool doing nothing much so ive come up with loads of new ideas

Thanks also to the people who have already sent me new content - it will be online sortly.

Craig

Barrett · Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject:

Rob, if possible are you also able to send photo's of 'real' tickets and 'fake' tickets to show the differences?

RobertD · Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Posts: 69

The problem is that photos/scans can be misleading.
Fo example that ticket above look spot on from the front, maybe the orange art deco pattern could be slightly lighter but these ticket will age differently depending on storage conditions.

The best trick I've seen was a old asian man use a magnifying glass to inspect the writing on the front of a ticket. If the ticket has been created from a photocopy or scan then you should be able to see this because the letters when inspected under a magnifying glass should show signs of blur/not crisp.
Remember printing standards in those days were high off set printing stands the test of time and remains sharp.

I will add more photos to my guide as I go.

These are fakes listed here on ebay, the whiteness on the pattern behind the writing just looks wrong. unless somehow the orange has darkened over the years but the white part stayed the same. it just does'nt work like that.
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