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Cpfc jim



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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:00 pm 
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Hello gents a query the above lot is for a 1906 crystal palace programme v Swindon our first as a league club 1905/6 but it is a programme for the day's events at the crystal palace and in the itinerary at 3.30 is the palace match so my question is this does this constitute a palace programme or is it a bit of a reach to call it such ? as a palace fan it's about as good as it gets programme wise but is it one ?
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:11 pm 
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CRYSTAL PALACE V SWINDON 1906 Programme for Crystal Palace 7/3/1906 covering all of the events of the day held at the venue. The events include at 3.30 on the Football Ground, Crystal Palace, in their first season as a professional club, v Swindon in the United League Championship. Underneath it states, "For Teams, see Special Card, price 1d.". Light tape on the spine, slightly creased and slight wear around the edges. Fair

I'm sure a Palace expert can answer this but it reads like the Special Card mentioned would be the programme?
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Cpfc jim



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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2021 9:20 pm 
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Yes being a bit ocd I'm of that opinion but never having come across anything that early palace programme wise it's about as good as it gets so I'll go for it
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2021 11:17 pm 
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The special card mentioned is as far as I am concerned is the programme, this had the teams shown on one side with a picture of the Crystal Palace on the reverse side.

What is listed is what it is a programme of all the events of the day being held in the Crystal Palace and surrounding grounds, ceertainly not a football programme issued for the game
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It is not a programme. There was once something similar for sale advertising the cup final at the palace. It is simply a brochure for all events taking place at the old crystal palace.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 2:27 pm 
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Cpfc jim wrote:
Yes being a bit ocd I'm of that opinion but never having come across anything that early palace programme wise it's about as good as it gets so I'll go for it


After a quick eBay search there is one similar listed dated even earlier from 1903 listed for $35.00 (on eBay USA) which covers the football match ''Crystal Palace School of Engineering v Old Monstrosians'' with a one paragraph preview on page five. I'm guessing the one at Sportingold has a similar sized preview, and if so not worth the £220-£250 reserve in my opinion.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283621814213?hash=item42092d6fc5:g:zSIAAOSwjotdh4dz
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 4:00 pm 
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Cpfc jim wrote:
Yes being a bit ocd I'm of that opinion but never having come across anything that early palace programme wise it's about as good as it gets so I'll go for it


After a quick eBay search there is one similar listed dated even earlier from 1903 listed for $35.00 (on eBay USA) which covers the football match ''Crystal Palace School of Engineering v Old Monstrosians'' with a one paragraph preview on page five. I'm guessing the one at Sportingold has a similar sized preview, and if so not worth the £220-£250 reserve in my opinion.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283621814213?hash=item42092d6fc5:g:zSIAAOSwjotdh4dz


That's from Crystal Palace park, nothing to do with CPFC which was founded in 1905. The 1906 one is different gravy.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 4:48 pm 
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If I may chip in, as I have a couple of these programmes like it.

The Crystal Palace park was an enormous pleasure park built in the Victorian era, and was a whole day out. There were fairground rides, bandstands with regular performances, sporting arenas, and the Crystal Palace exhibition building itself, I believe the biggest building in the world when it was built, like a Victorian version of the Millennium Dome, but made out of glass.

When you went there there was a programme available for 2d

It was 16-20 pages long and crammed full of listings of all the things you could see and do on that day.

I have a couple, one from 1906 and one from 1907. As I say, they mention shows in the theatre, band performances etc

There would be a plan of the whole park, plus a plan of the exhibits in the Crystal Palace building itself also

The day would end with a huge fireworks show



The couple I have each feature details of a Crystal Palace FC home fixture that would have played in the 'Cup Final' stadium on that day. But it is merely a listing of the game being on (which people who were already at the park could usually pop into to watch for a small additional charge)
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 4:51 pm 
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For some reason I can only load one photo per message

This is the plan of the park and the Crystal Palace building that was in each programme

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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 4:53 pm 
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Presumably they don't contain the "special card" referred to above?
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 4:56 pm 
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No Pete, just pages and pages of listings of cycle races, bands playing and bird shows! - the football fixture card mentioned in the game listing was the Programmicard, and it was a separate item. I'll come to that in a moment


You could be at Crystal Palace park for your day out from 10am to 10.30pm!

This is what the listing would be in such programmes - mention of the fixture, the kick off time and that there was also a fixture card available at the football ground




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The Programmicard was the 'Special card' which you could buy for 1d if you had paid the sixpence supplement to go into the ground to watch the game, and what any football programme collector would regard as the 'programme'

This is a 1907 one





In my opinion the Crystal Palace 'park' programmes are lovely things to have (as a Crystal Palace fan) - it helped me explain to my son how our football club came to be - as part of the biggest and best Victorian 'theme park' in the whole UK - of multiple attractions

I wouldn't pay £200+ for one, unless it was literally the first ever home game day of CPFC.

But if that park programme was the first game day of Swindon, then go for it, it's the next best thing to the Programmicard for the game, which is unlikely to ever turn up.


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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 5:16 pm 
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Yes, I have that copy too. The original is on Ebay at the moment @ £2750.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363314539921

Had that been inside the Sportingold lot, it would be very interesting!
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 5:19 pm 
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Finally from me, this is a rare photo of the Crystal Palace Park programme sellers from 1911

A bit fancier than the scruffs you get these days shouting "get yer programmes!"



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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 5:24 pm 
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Pete’s Picture Palace wrote:
1980Cossie wrote:
Cpfc jim wrote:
Yes being a bit ocd I'm of that opinion but never having come across anything that early palace programme wise it's about as good as it gets so I'll go for it


After a quick eBay search there is one similar listed dated even earlier from 1903 listed for $35.00 (on eBay USA) which covers the football match ''Crystal Palace School of Engineering v Old Monstrosians'' with a one paragraph preview on page five. I'm guessing the one at Sportingold has a similar sized preview, and if so not worth the £220-£250 reserve in my opinion.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283621814213?hash=item42092d6fc5:g:zSIAAOSwjotdh4dz


That's from Crystal Palace park, nothing to do with CPFC which was founded in 1905. The 1906 one is different gravy.


The one on eBay sold with ''buy it now'' circa 5 minutes after i'd posted the link on the forum earlier today.

Like i said before, it's a lot of money to pay for a devoted paragraph referring/mentioning a forthcoming football match on one internal page
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 5:35 pm 
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The one on ebay sold for $35?
With the charges (£24.84 + £15.45 postage + about £13 import charges) a total of about £53

That would be about right in my opinion if it had a mention of a Crystal Palace match in it (the 1903 one that sold on ebay for a total of £53 doesn't)


The 1906 one listed on Sportingold which features mention of a Crystal Palace RESERVES match against Swindon in the United League is no way worth the estimate of £260 to £280 in my opinion. But good luck to the seller if they get that. I guess Sportingold and the seller are hoping a couple of collectors want it badly.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 5:57 pm 
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Dorking wrote:
Finally from me, this is a rare photo of the Crystal Palace Park programme sellers from 1911

A bit fancier than the scruffs you get these days shouting "get yer programmes!"

You could not give that description to Palace legend Clive "Side-o" Waters




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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2021 8:43 pm 
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Sido bless him palace legend a nod from Sido and you knew you were part of the inner circle lol
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 1:03 pm 
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Dorking wrote:
Finally from me, this is a rare photo of the Crystal Palace Park programme sellers from 1911

A bit fancier than the scruffs you get these days shouting "get yer programmes!"





Oi, my daughter sells programmes at Palace, ill let her know to drop some burger sauce on your next programme you buy lol
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