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Flaming Pie
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 1:01 pm
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Keeper may be Jimmy Cowan? Though he was only 19 in 1945. Does the stamp say 1945?
Might help if you scanned the stamp on here too. |
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Flaming Pie
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 3:56 pm
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It will be interesting finding out why he thinks it's 1945. Thanks for uploading that stamp, there are a lot of 40's/50's photos around with a British stamp (eg Reuters) and then a second, perhaps later, stamp by a Scandinavian agency. I wondered if it was one of those, but it doesn't look like it.
Let's wait till you get the original. |
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Flaming Pie
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 5:38 pm
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Pete, don’t think the goalie is Jimmy Cowan. Thought it might have been Bert Williams, who was in the RAF, but not sure. Notice the goalie has got a big badge on his jersey, as opposed to the RAF emblem on the other players shirts. Perhaps he was a local keeper( Scottish?) who stepped in last minute? Didn’t realise that Stan Mortensen turned out for both England and Wales during these wartime matches. He took the field of play for an injured Wales player during one of the games. |
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Flaming Pie
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2021 11:36 am
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Thanks very much Rocky, so it might not be the Scottish tour. Perhaps they did a brief European tour? I know they played some games in Malta, but l don’t know if the calibre of team in Malta was as strong as the one in this photo. I remember picking up an old Army Team photo with the Everton goalie Ted Sager in it. The match was in Germany. There was an interview with him somewhere and he was naming lots of top players who played in these type of matches. When these wartime photos turn up on eBay I’m surprised that they don’t seem to sell for much. |
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Flaming Pie
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Thanks Rocky and Pete, two more names to add to the line-up. Micky Fenton in suit behind Hardwick and Sailor Brown in suit next to Frank Soo. I feel l should know the player front - row in kit far right , but the name hasn’t come to me yet. Thought it might have been Albert Geldard, but he was in the army. |
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The goalkeeper looks like Ted Ditchburn of 'Spurs. His first England cap was 1949 but he played in several war-time games from 1944. |
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Flaming Pie wrote: |
Thanks Rocky and Pete, two more names to add to the line-up. Micky Fenton in suit behind Hardwick and Sailor Brown in suit next to Frank Soo. I feel l should know the player front - row in kit far right , but the name hasn’t come to me yet. Thought it might have been Albert Geldard, but he was in the army. |
Only been watching this on the side. There is a whole Facebook page for Frank Soo from which there is a web page and e-mail address to head to, all in relation to the Frank Soo Foundation.
https://www.facebook.com/FrankSooFoundation
Perhaps they may be able to assist. |
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Flaming Pie
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Thanks ndg1860, Pete and New Forest. Will look into the Frank Soo suggestion. Frank’s story is really interesting, the first England international of Chinese origin. Don’t think it’s Don Welsh Pete. I think he was in the army . New Forest, you’re correct, looks like the goalie is Ted Ditchburn, particularly as he was in the RAF. |
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New Forest
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 3:42 pm
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Flaming Pie wrote: |
Thanks ndg1860, Pete and New Forest. Will look into the Frank Soo suggestion. Frank’s story is really interesting, the first England international of Chinese origin. Don’t think it’s Don Welsh Pete. I think he was in the army . New Forest, you’re correct, looks like the goalie is Ted Ditchburn, particularly as he was in the RAF. |
Saw Ted playing at the very end of his career. |
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