Can someone help me with this Manchester United item

[Texas Rangers]

Poor quality item but just curious as to how old this might be.

[Superblue]

With 'Football Club' not on the logo, I'd say 1998 or after. But Leslie Millman (manchesterunitedman1) is the bloke to ask. He got probably the best Manchester United collection (apart from the one at Old Trafford) I have seen.

Kyle

[Texas Rangers]

Cheers Kyle. It looks like it's much older but I've got a feeling this is modern and just aged badly too.

[Superblue]

It's a very nice item though but I am unsure exactly what it is .

Kyle

[Dorking]

I'd agree, that is the current crest, so not very old at all. Wasn't that long ago all the fuss about the crest having Football Club taken off the bottom section

[littlewiggy]

Looks like a current crest left in the fire.

Best place for it too.

Liverpool, Liverpool, rah rah rah!

[manchesterunitedman1]

Superblue wrote:

With 'Football Club' not on the logo, I'd say 1998 or after. But Leslie Millman (manchesterunitedman1) is the bloke to ask. He got probably the best Manchester United collection (apart from the one at Old Trafford) I have seen. Kyle

Hi Kyle,

I think you have to stand corrected IMO as overall my paper collection of programmes-tickets-photographs-cigarette & trade cards, newspapers, menu's, itineraries,badges is superior to that where folks have to go and pay to view it at the MUFC Museum. https://flic.kr/s/aHsjevJPsS

Also, i do not get donations from supporters giving the club stuff for free nor do i have items that do not belong to me that are on display that everyone has to pay to see.

I am not a shirt/caps or medal man nor do i have all their trophies but they do not have the oldest trophy from 1886 for Newton Heath.

I removed all my stuff out of there after 15 years about 7 to 8 years ago because one day i asked them to take an image on a camera phone for some article i was writing about and they demanded i had to pay £27 quid for it despite having items of mine for all those years worth £50k. I only found out that some items had not been on display for up to 8 years and had been shoved in a drawer after i got it all back and they bleated it would ruin their displays-tuff!, yet anyone then or now can do it by using their phone but i needed it there and then and was running behind with the article-still i have never walked back in the Museum since.

Every forum member is welcome to visit-just give me a couple of day's notice.

The badge is modern-made to look old, possibly emanating from Eastern Europe?-cannot beat the Metal & Enamel types. https://flic.kr/s/aHsjfvEoTn
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[Texas Rangers]

Thanks for all the feedback folks.

[Superblue]

Sorry if I caused any offence by what I said Leslie.

Kyle

[Wullie]

There is something a little odd about certain clubs and their attitude towards memorabilia collections, Leslies example is just one.
I often wondered how multi million pound organisations can show such a blasé attitude towards important artefacts of the clubs history . I am probably correct in thinking along the lines that the owners of clubs ( most who are foreign investors of a few years ) have no interest at all in the past.
Any acknowledgement of history is passed on to a know all , jobs worth club historian who's not paid a penny.

[manchesterunitedman1]

Superblue wrote:

Sorry if I caused any offence by what I said Leslie. Kyle

none taken whatsoever!

don't worry about it at all

For me a collection is not about having the most expensive items that you can show off to all and sundry as that says your not a collector but more of an investor IMO, but a 20p bus ticket or train ticket fits in with many other match related items and builds up a picture-how many times has a programme been found then years later the ticket shows up or a newspaper with a report of the game or the railway flier etc etc etc.


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[Dorking]

Leslie is bang on the money there.

To tell a story, items don't even need to be rare or valuable, amongst medals and shirts could be a leaflet that was handed out for free which few people probably thought of keeping, eg for Palace, a 'Save our Club' prospectus when the supporters trust raised money through the fans, probably not worth a quid even now but priceless as a memory and a link with the downs as well as the ups

[littlewiggy]

Wullie wrote:

There is something a little odd about certain clubs and their attitude towards memorabilia collections, Leslies example is just one. I often wondered how multi million pound organisations can show such a blasé attitude towards important artefacts of the clubs history . I am probably correct in thinking along the lines that the owners of clubs ( most who are foreign investors of a few years ) have no interest at all in the past. Any acknowledgement of history is passed on to a know all , jobs worth club historian who's not paid a penny.

You're not wrong mate.

I've often said that we collectors (lunatics) perform a valuable service to the game's history, by acting as custodians to the clubs artefacts thus carefully protecting and preserving their history.

Without us there'd be zilch from days gone, as the clubs themselves don't give a monkeys.

My club has absolutely nothing to show for its 104-year history, not a sauasage - it's only ever been interested in the here and now.

Any outside request the club gets regarding stats, info, or its historical artefacts always gets fielded to either myself or another of their proud anoraks.

They have nothing and know nothing.

[Pete’s Picture Palace]

All spot-on about modern owners. Palace had 4 local men, all self-made millionaires, stepped in at the last minute to save the club in 2010. They became everyone's heroes overnight and then had unbelievable success and glory on the pitch with promotion to the promised land in 3 years, survival for 3 whole seasons and an FA Cup Final. All despite being on their 6th manager in 6 years. From now on they get £100m for coming last in the Prem.

BUT - the toilets don't get fixed, the staff on the food counters barely speak English even though they were all born locally, I would imagine that most of the paid shop-floor staff are paid below the minimum wage level and you pay to queue when phoning the Box Office. We have lovely inward-facing revolving adverts glaring at us now, screaming at us to buy something we don't want. But we have a £27m centre forward so we mustn't complain.

AND - I help them with photos for the programme (unpaid of course) or at least I did before I had a row with the editor over their refusal to put in a piece and a photo of the Palace Youth Team captain of 1976-7 Steve Brennan, who sadly died at the age of 59, give or take, but who only played about 4 1st team games. They just said he wasn't important enough to warrant a small tribute and a photo. I flipped my lid and that's that.

"Historical" articles are now usually about the 1990's. I say usually but I don't buy it any more or read it online so I stand to be corrected on that.

I fully expect that by 2020 I'll be a regular at Gander Green Lane. My grandfather will turn in his grave. Or he would do if he hadn't been cremated.

[martino]

The answer?

Go to the brink of extinction, become a Community Club and those entrusted with running the Club will have a real interest in preserving the Club's history.

Play up Pompey.

[Texas Rangers]

Can't help but agree. By far the most prized Rangers item I have is a programme from Rangers v Motherwell, April 29th 1978, the last league game of the season. Rangers won the game 2-0 winning the league en route to the treble that year. A standard 12p, common as muck programme made priceless to me by Davie Cooper signing it. " There you go wee man" with a smile as wide as the river Clyde as he signed it.