Why don't people do their homework?

[holtie96]

It amazes me that people will pay silly prices on Ebay yet other things go for a song! It would appear that two bidders will no sense have gone a bit silly here!
I have the same programme up for auction at the cameo auction on Wednesday and it probably won't even sell!
Check out this listing!
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it can't be worth more than £25!

[Wullie]

Give the seller some credit. He did a really good write up. It just shows the importance of blagging . Two newbies must of read that and thought this is worth having. As you say they should have done their homework, but that's not the sellers problem.

[pompeypete]

I can't believe 25 bids, surely if your after this or any programme on e bay you just bid at the last moment what you are prepared to pay.

Bidding like this allows the seller or his mate to bid, in an effort to increase top selling price.

e bay is faceless & difficult to prove any dodgy going on's.

Having said that it has certainly helped the collector.

What are the dealers views of e bay, good or bad ?
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[holtie96]

You are right that the seller hasn't done anything wrong, but the really clever or 'crafty' thing is that by going private with the lsiting, nobody can alert the bidders to the fact that they are wasting their money or as pointed out getting somebody else to bid against someone to bump up the price. Anyhow good luck to the guy, it is the time of good will to all men!

[Wullie]

No doubt there are some dodgy things that go on with Ebay but at the end of the day it's up to the individual what they want to bid and up to individual to do the research. I still prefer Ebay to any dealers "auctions" as you get an item for the second highest bid price. On dealers list if you bid £50 and the next bid is £20 then you have to pay £50 , so not a true auction. I suppose that's why they called Offers lists .

[pompeypete]

Wullie wrote:

No doubt there are some dodgy things that go on with Ebay but at the end of the day it's up to the individual what they want to bid and up to individual to do the research. I still prefer Ebay to any dealers "auctions" as you get an item for the second highest bid price. On dealers list if you bid £50 and the next bid is £20 then you have to pay £50 , so not a true auction. I suppose that's why they called Offers lists .

I can only agree.

Sometime ago I tried to beat the system by putting a 'minimum up to bid'.
The dealer contacted me saying is was unacceptable.

A week later, my offer was accepted as the highest but a haven't a clue if the second best offer was anywhere near my offer.

I don't use that dealer any more.
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[kenred]

Well well I am surprised at the bids for this .I have this,and I know that no way is it worth that amount.However as someone said if someone is prepared to pay it....I hope the token was intact for that price.

[Tynie Topics]

Wullie wrote:

No doubt there are some dodgy things that go on with Ebay but at the end of the day it's up to the individual what they want to bid and up to individual to do the research. I still prefer Ebay to any dealers "auctions" as you get an item for the second highest bid price. On dealers list if you bid £50 and the next bid is £20 then you have to pay £50 , so not a true auction. I suppose that's why they called Offers lists .

I rarely use dealers offers lists these days for that very reason, and I know of at least one dealer who no longer contains offers in his catalogue and uses ebay for his rarer items - or puts them up for straight sale.

Offers lists are beginning to die out as people prefer ebay, PM has less and less offers ads every month.
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[Kickoff3pm]

Offers lists are a mugs game and always have been from what I have seen. No dealer knows the value of each item he comes in contact with so they use offers to find out.

It's just a way for dealers to put items up for sale they don't know the value of from research. The only other things on offer lists are items that wouldn't fetch the published valued because of having to declare faults and a fixed price. 50 quid folded or folded offers over 40 quid which one will get the better price ?

They should be called Mugs lists as all the leverage in the deal is with the seller. And even if they price the item price to high, when they look at the offers that come in that gives them the price people are willing to pay and they take no risk listing it at that level.

Hence you make an offer - they say it's unacceplable and then later when they don't get a better offer they want to sell it at that price.

[Senior82]

kenred wrote:

Well well I am surprised at the bids for this .I have this,and I know that no way is it worth that amount.However as someone said if someone is prepared to pay it....I hope the token was intact for that price.

It doesn't even have the token!!

[Vintage Steve]

Tynie Topics wrote:

Wullie wrote: No doubt there are some dodgy things that go on with Ebay but at the end of the day it's up to the individual what they want to bid and up to individual to do the research. I still prefer Ebay to any dealers "auctions" as you get an item for the second highest bid price. On dealers list if you bid £50 and the next bid is £20 then you have to pay £50 , so not a true auction. I suppose that's why they called Offers lists . I rarely use dealers offers lists these days for that very reason, and I know of at least one dealer who no longer contains offers in his catalogue and uses ebay for his rarer items - or puts them up for straight sale. Offers lists are beginning to die out as people prefer ebay, PM has less and less offers ads every month.

Without appearing to run down PM, one of the principal reasons for cancelling my long term subscription of the magazine, was the continued grumbling about eBay and how it was ruining the hobby.Yes, the hobby has changed, but so has Football. You either go with it, or you have nothing to do with it. I can also say that I had far more bad experiences
and disappointments with private dealings through PM and with major dealers, than I have had in ten years of using eBay.As for offers lists, yes they are dying, and good riddance. The very fact that on eBay you are getting the item for one increment above the under bidder is enough to never touch offers lists again.

[mancitymark]

In my opinion a programme is worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay for it to add it his collection
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[westyorksnffc]

Some sellers are just bad salesman looking to rip folk off though, I recall a couple of months ago seeing the 1992 Forest v Southampton ZDS Final on e-Bay for £100.00, with the seller doing a write up along the lines of the programme being extremely rare due to a charity game that took place prior to the final with the likes of John Robertson playing, however, he referred to one page in the programme and there was around 10 of the same programme not selling at the time for 99p!
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[Wullie]

To be honest i still use sports programmes offers list due to the outstanding items that appear. I bid what i think is a fair price , some you win , some you lose. But i still prefer Ebay, at least you can look at the item and have an idea of the condition. What annoys me is every thing i colllect ie Sunderland Homes 1940s early 1950s will NEVER turn up in a general listing of dealers catalogues. They are ALWAYS " on offer". Even run of the mill programmes against the less glamorous clubs. I'm sure collectors of other certain clubs will say the same. A dealers catalouge therefore is completley wasted on me.

[Senior82]

Vintage Steve wrote:

Without appearing to run down PM, one of the principal reasons for cancelling my long term subscription of the magazine, was the continued grumbling about eBay and how it was ruining the hobby.Yes, the hobby has changed, but so has Football. You either go with it, or you have nothing to do with it. I can also say that I had far more bad experiences and disappointments with private dealings through PM and with major dealers, than I have had in ten years of using eBay.As for offers lists, yes they are dying, and good riddance. The very fact that on eBay you are getting the item for one increment above the under bidder is enough to never touch offers lists again.

That's also why I stopped. Moan moan ebay blah blah ebay is rubbish waffle waffle ebay is full of junk etc etc

[Tynie Topics]

To move this topic off track slightly, I enjoy PM and still keep up my subscription (and probably always will), but the time has long since passed for a complete overhaul of the mag to drag it into the 21st century. I accept it can only be as good as the contributors articles but the presentation could be doing with a freshen up and a splash of colour and maybe a change in the format completely, to A4 size for example.

There’s been little change in it’s format for over 25 years, and maybe a different approach would attract more diverse contributions and increased subscriptions. I like reading Chris Ashbridge’s articles on his foreign trips for example, but do we really need to know what’s on page 5 of some French 4th divisions clubs programme? Personally no, and it becomes a bit repetitive month after month after month. I would however say I dont see too much moaning about eBay at all, other than picking up on some hidden charges and changes to T&C's that affect all users.

Given the increase in popularity of football memorabilia collecting over the last decade, I can’t help thinking they’ve missed the boat somewhat.
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[Vintage Steve]

There's no doubt that eBay has caused a total revolution within the hobby. Major dealers could dictate the prices of programmes, especially the big match issues.eBay has shown previously 'scarce' issues to be quite plentiful in supply, which shows that many prices charged by the main dealers were inflated by the stockpiling of the said issues.

However, far be it from me to slate full time dealers from trying to earn a living.It's long hours, tedious work and all for mediocre reward. The truth is though, collectors have never had it so good, and if you are patient, you'll fill the gaps in your collection far more cheaply and with better quality items than you were able to a few years ago.

[Kickoff3pm]

Vintage Steve wrote:

The truth is though, collectors have never had it so good, and if you are patient, you'll fill the gaps in your collection far more cheaply and with better quality items than you were able to a few years ago.

I don't know if collectors still have it that good on ebay. Over the last 12 months ebay has made a number of changes which means it's not so profitable to list items. For example list one item;

Start basic 4.99 a buy now option 10.00, no one uses the buynow but it sells for 7.00. The costs are about - Listing cost 85p (ish), Final value fee 70p,Paypal 40p

Total - about two quid ebay get from your 7.00 and now they expect people to list with free postage on some items. At the moment people still haven't tweeked how much the cost has gone up. But the are fewer and fewer risk takers now.

[Vintage Steve]

Kickoff3pm wrote:

Vintage Steve wrote: The truth is though, collectors have never had it so good, and if you are patient, you'll fill the gaps in your collection far more cheaply and with better quality items than you were able to a few years ago. I don't know if collectors still have it that good on ebay. Over the last 12 months ebay has made a number of changes which means it's not so profitable to list items. For example list one item; Start basic 4.99 a buy now option 10.00, no one uses the buynow but it sells for 7.00. The costs are about - Listing cost 85p (ish), Final value fee 70p,Paypal 40p Total - about two quid ebay get from your 7.00 and now they expect people to list with free postage on some items. At the moment people still haven't tweeked how much the cost has gone up. But the are fewer and fewer risk takers now.

Let me rephrase that to " buyers have never had it so good" There's so many more ways that buyers can add to their collection. Not only is there still the traditional dealers lists, but there's ebay, numerous websites and of course the FPC.

Going back to ebay, although it's still a buyers market, there's a glut of very ordinary items for sale, and even with the various search options,it does get rather tedious wading through the dross.

[bpaafc]

Just brought the Tottenham v Crewe 1959-60 F A Cup replay match £10.00 on Ebay I'll get the crewe one next time its on.
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