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roughyedz · Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 608 Location: Oldham

E-Bay just never stop taking . . . Anyone who registers an account from now on can only sell 20 items per month. . . Until you have a feedback of 40 or something like that . . . . Also and this is the big laugh . . . Anything you do sell Paypal will not give you the money for a period of 21 days Shake

so wether its a 5p stamp or a £25,000 car they will keep the money in your Paypal account for 21 daysd before they will release it to YOU . . . YOUR OWN MONEY THAT IS . . . . multiply that by the number of accounts that this applies to over a 21 day period and that's a tidy amount of interest for them !!!

martino · Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Anothewr E-Bay CON . . . .

roughyedz wrote:

E-Bay just never stop taking . . . Anyone who registers an account from now on can only sell 20 items per month. . . Until you have a feedback of 40 or something like that . . . . Also and this is the big laugh . . . Anything you do sell Paypal will not give you the money for a period of 21 days Shake

so wether its a 5p stamp or a £25,000 car they will keep the money in your Paypal account for 21 daysd before they will release it to YOU . . . YOUR OWN MONEY THAT IS . . . . multiply that by the number of accounts that this applies to over a 21 day period and that's a tidy amount of interest for them !!!

I think Pay Pal have imposed restrictions on taking your money out from your first few deals for a while. When the wife opened her account a few years ago they said they would withhold the funds for, I think, 21 days.

She asked them to review her case and, to be fair, they lifted the restriction - they said it was because she had a linked, confirmed, Bank account. Very strange but it shows that if you ask you can sometimes get a result.

The bit about E Bay feedback restrictions may be new - the problem with 20 listings per month is that it will take ages to get a required feedback rating as only about half of buyers actually leave feedback.

treble99 · Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 1000 Location: manchester

they use the 20 feedback as a guideline not hard fact
they also won't give you an unlimited sales account either to start with

Imagine if a new seller came on ebay and sold you thousands of pounds worth of programmes he didn't have
Then he gets paid by paypal and empties the money out of his paypal account and then empties out his bank account
The programmes don't arrive and you claim from paypal who won't reimburse you because they only refund if the money is still available in the sellers bank account
What thief would leave the money in his account?

Now you'd be up in arms screaming at paypal and ebay wouldn't you?

BAZZABAGGIES · Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 1920

Correct Ray. No matter how many times you try and advise these Young Bucks they dont listen.
Then they wonder why things go wrong and start crying to everyone Confused

blackburncollector · Joined: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 368 Location: Blackburn

I've had my fair share of problems with eBay/PayPal in the past, due to my own stupidity when I was younger, however I'd suggest the title of the thread is somewhat misleading.

I'm sure these measures are put in place to protect buyers against less desirable sellers and themselves from situations that Bazza points out in his post.

inconvenient YES, another eBay con NO.

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foxes1 · Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 1224 Location: Leicester

Problem is Ebay own Paypal at the minute so they are in collusion with each other. Will be interesting later (This year I think) when Ebay and Paypal go their separate ways, might be good for sellers etc. But I suppose we will have to wait and see.

treble99 · Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 1000 Location: manchester

it won't get any better either in terms of cost of fairness but it is what it is.

It's a huge monster which eats fees

It doesn't give a shit if you bought a programme for 99p which you think is incorrectly desribed
Nor does it refund money unless it absolutely has to

It is no different to an insurance company who charge what they can and insure you for everything except what you have just claimed for

Nor a medical company that sells you critical health cover but won't pay out when you have had both bollocks,one kidney and a lung amputated
They either say it wasn't life threatening or was an undisclosed medical condition and is your own fault

It's life and life mostly shits on the little people,me included
You just have to decide if you trust a medical company,a life insurance company or in this case ebay and payapl(the same thing)
If you don't like it you have the option not to use it.
There are 3 choices-use it,don't use it or use it and moan about it

Wullie · Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 3427

treble99 wrote:

they use the 20 feedback as a guideline not hard fact
they also won't give you an unlimited sales account either to start with

Imagine if a new seller came on ebay and sold you thousands of pounds worth of programmes he didn't have
Then he gets paid by paypal and empties the money out of his paypal account and then empties out his bank account
The programmes don't arrive and you claim from paypal who won't reimburse you because they only refund if the money is still available in the sellers bank account
What thief would leave the money in his account?

Now you'd be up in arms screaming at paypal and ebay wouldn't you?

100 percent correct. Clap

Most people just like to knock eBay whatever they do. This is just a security precaution .

treble99 · Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 1000 Location: manchester

and the yonders take it even deeper than that

They are happy to use some shit excuse like being people of morals and saving the planet when they try to do some postie out of his job by illegally using unfranked stamps
They are not,in their opinions tight sods by using already used envelopes.

But they are the first to moan when ebay reclaims the readies of them for a parcel not arriving or alternatively not refunding them when some two bob thief tells them he sent the programme and it must be them or the post office as the reason it has not arrived

How many ways do they want it

What's good for the goose ain't always good for the gander(or the yonders)

derby1884 · Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:58 pm Post subject:

treble99 wrote:

They are not,in their opinions tight sods by using already used envelopes.

I had 5 programmes arrive in the post today. 5 different sellers.
The only one who used a new envelope was the one who sold me the programme that cost me the least.

What to do?
Mark them down on the feedback section? What's the point?
All the vendors had 100% rating.
Tell myself that at least they arrived here? Yeah, I guess.
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bisphamseasider · Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 2732 Location: Blackpool

derby1884 wrote:

I had 5 programmes arrive in the post today. 5 different sellers.
The only one who used a new envelope was the one who sold me the programme that cost me the least.

What to do?
Mark them down on the feedback section? What's the point?
All the vendors had 100% rating.
Tell myself that at least they arrived here? Yeah, I guess.

I can't see what the big deal is with some members on here about used envelopes.

As long as my programmes arrive safely and within a reasonable time, I couldn't give two hoots whether they'be been sent them in a reused envelope or not.

As for considering marking them down. It would never cross my mind if everything was spot on.

derby1884 · Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:48 am Post subject:

bisphamseasider wrote:

derby1884 wrote:

I had 5 programmes arrive in the post today. 5 different sellers.
The only one who used a new envelope was the one who sold me the programme that cost me the least.

What to do?
Mark them down on the feedback section? What's the point?
All the vendors had 100% rating.
Tell myself that at least they arrived here? Yeah, I guess.

I can't see what the big deal is with some members on here about used envelopes.

As long as my programmes arrive safely and within a reasonable time, I couldn't give two hoots whether they'be been sent them in a reused envelope or not.

As for considering marking them down. It would never cross my mind if everything was spot on.

It's the fact that they charge £1 or £1.20 for P/P then stick a 50p stamp on a used envelope.
What's the remainder of the fee go towards? Their labour?
If so, then state that and I wouldn't feel just a bit miffed!
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bisphamseasider · Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 2732 Location: Blackpool

derby1884 wrote:

bisphamseasider wrote:

derby1884 wrote:

I had 5 programmes arrive in the post today. 5 different sellers.
The only one who used a new envelope was the one who sold me the programme that cost me the least.

What to do?
Mark them down on the feedback section? What's the point?
All the vendors had 100% rating.
Tell myself that at least they arrived here? Yeah, I guess.

I can't see what the big deal is with some members on here about used envelopes.

As long as my programmes arrive safely and within a reasonable time, I couldn't give two hoots whether they'be been sent them in a reused envelope or not.

As for considering marking them down. It would never cross my mind if everything was spot on.

It's the fact that they charge £1 or £1.20 for P/P then stick a 50p stamp on a used envelope.
What's the remainder of the fee go towards? Their labour?
If so, then state that and I wouldn't feel just a bit miffed!

Ah.

You never mentioned anything about post and packing charges only a beef about used envelopes.

That's a slightly different matter.

treble99 · Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 1000 Location: manchester

bisphamseasider wrote:

derby1884 wrote:

I had 5 programmes arrive in the post today. 5 different sellers.
The only one who used a new envelope was the one who sold me the programme that cost me the least.

What to do?
Mark them down on the feedback section? What's the point?
All the vendors had 100% rating.
Tell myself that at least they arrived here? Yeah, I guess.

I can't see what the big deal is with some members on here about used envelopes.

As long as my programmes arrive safely and within a reasonable time, I couldn't give two hoots whether they'be been sent them in a reused envelope or not.

As for considering marking them down. It would never cross my mind if everything was spot on.

And you have summed up the potential problem

The issue is not an issue if they arrive
It's when something goes wrong
The seller will have proof of postage won't he
The proof of postage won't say the re-used stamp might have fallen off
The proof of postage won't say one of the 4 address labels under your address label might have come loose will it
You won't even realise that the item was sent in a shall we say "less than honourable way"

But who will lose out and who will paypal refund or will they refund?

martino · Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:32 am Post subject:

I understand that E Bay have these measures to ward off crooks but, as with most rules, it penalises the 99.999999% who are good upright, honest citizens.

Also what is to stop someone building up a good track record and then doing the dirty?

treble99 · Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 1000 Location: manchester

ebay don't give a f**k about crooks
They consider a crook somebody who doesn't pay his ebay fees.
You consider a crook somebody who cons you out of money or a programme

As with all big institutions are these "terms and conditions" and "health and safety regs" and "data protection" is all great sounding terms that nobody can or will ever define in their entirety
All you need to know is "we have looked into your complaint/situation/position and unfortunately due to our rules you don't qualify(for whatever)

pnefan · Joined: 08 Apr 2011 Posts: 257 Location: Wigan

derby 1884 wrote

Quote:

It's the fact that they charge £1 or £1.20 for P/P then stick a 50p stamp on a used envelope.
What's the remainder of the fee go towards? Their labour?
If so, then state that and I wouldn't feel just a bit miffed!

Still waiting for any customer offering to pay the extra postage i should have charged for heavier items listed inadvertently with P+P too low .

£1 will be minus all fees charged by ebay fncluding shipping + paypal

Worst culprit for bog standard envelopes is a big dealer who uses brown tape round every edge - chances of opening the item without damaging it is greatly increased - unless you have razor blade handy .
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Wullie · Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 3427

If the letter/stamp is spotted as reused then it will be surcharged. So the buyer has paid for postage and package and the item will be delayed until he pays again. And all because the thieving seller thinks he is a clever sod and he'll get away with it. Not the kind of person I would want to deal with.

paulo · Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 1098 Location: Norwich, NR7

As ebay charges a fee on postage now I have no idea why people who use recycled envelopes don't just tack it on the price. That's what I do and I never get a compliant for recycling!

Wullie · Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 3427

Another problem with recycled envelopes is the red dotted bar codes. This will post the envelope to the original address via a machine even if a new address is written over it. The postman will then manually sort it to the correct address, which if another town will delay it more. So the buyer pays first class and gets second or third.....