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WileBrownAstle · Joined: 03 Nov 2009 Posts: 1042 Location: Crewe

A south London MP is to ask the House of Commons to back a campaign for Milton Keynes Dons Football Club to drop the word "Dons" from its name.

The term was adopted after the original Dons, Wimbledon Football Cub, relocated to Milton Keynes in 2003.

Siobhain McDonagh, MP for Mitcham and Morden, said it was a symbol of how the club's identity was "stolen".

She said she would use the case as an example in a 30-minute Parliamentary debate about football governance.

"I want ministers to remember the case of Wimbledon when they look at how football should be governed," she said.

"It shouldn't be possible for clubs to just up sticks and leave the communities they are supported by."
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paulo · Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 1098 Location: Norwich, NR7

I have been saying that for years. They should just be Milton Keynes.

Geddon · Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 1044 Location: Bristol

Totally agree, what relevance 'Dons' has to Milton Keynes I have no idea, why can't they just drop any ridiculous notion that they're anything to do with Wimbledon?

Drvonshineck · Joined: 24 Dec 2011 Posts: 525 Location: Scotland

max761 wrote:

We MKDons. Forever. Real Wimbledon

To be honest Max I reckon your probably the only member on this forum that thinks that.

Your club is a corporate sell out, who followed the dollar.

Any real honest football fan, would follow the underdog.

AFC Wimbeldon embody everything that is good about football.

Milton Keynes FC are a mere shadow of a football club, they have no history, no culture, no true fans and no real atmosphere.

Your are found guilty of glory hunting. Judge

The SFC Chris · Joined: 05 Feb 2011 Posts: 179 Location: Stevenage

As far as I'm concerned, the truth is that the football club moved from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes, therefore breaking any ties they had with Wimbledon ... AFC Wimbledon were formed to replace that team which had diseappeared, and so they rightfully have all the history of Wimbledon.

Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

max761 wrote:

Unfortunately, poor knowledge of English does not allow me to lead a normal dialogue with you.
At one time I seriously studied the question, I know the facts ... I wrote several articles on Russian and Ukrainian sites devoted to English football club to move - I can post the article here - but it's in Russian.
I know all this so well, perhaps I will write a book about moving the club in MK (in Russian) - Russia and Ukraine are interested in this question, too many people. For this, I had meetings with the leaders and AFCW and MKDons and talked with them about the events of the years 2001-2004.
You and others can be considered anything - it does not matter. Only people who support this club can be addressed. I support the club in 24 old - I know where the real Wimbledon.
Only people living in the area of Wimbledon knows the truth - I went to Wimbledon and talked to ordinary people ...

In this question a lot of fans AFCW to blow the fog made a lot of lies, very meanly did ... and I hope that people in their right mind can understand where the truth lies and where
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you put happy smiles - it's fun for you a question? And for me - the tragedy of my favorite club.

MKD are not the real Wimbledon, don't even try to claim that, and do not even have the bare faced audacity to claim that anyone connected with AFCW are lying.

Who the hell do you think you are? how many Wimbledon FC games did you ever attend?

Football is nothing without fans, the fans ARE the club.

Winkleman and his cronies removed the club from the fans forever, this sorry excuse for a football club should have the good grace to drop the Dons name, they have no connection with Wimbledon.

It's tragic that you are peddling this nonsense around Russia and Ukraine, and that scarf in the picture is an affront to football.
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Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

The SFC Chris wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, the truth is that the football club moved from Wimbledon to Milton Keynes, therefore breaking any ties they had with Wimbledon ... AFC Wimbledon were formed to replace that team which had diseappeared, and so they rightfully have all the history of Wimbledon.

Exactly.

To get back to the original point as I dont particularly want to talk too much about them, but every time you hear mention of the name MK DONS, it like someone is frankly ripping the pish out of all true Wimbledon fans.

What's done is done, they should be looking to make their own history (Conference South Champions would be a good start) instead of trying to cling to a history that's not theirs.

MK City, MK United, MK Wankers, anything would do, not MK Dons.
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James · Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 485

A number of people know i'm really into Ice Hockey and what happened with MK and WImbledon is common place in hockey and a few things happned there which might lend some info on his arguement:

USA/Canada:
Quebec Nordiques, at the summer of 1995 the "Franchise" moved to Denver and became the Colorado Avalanche, now when you look at thet Avalanche's history they do not lay claim to the achievements/accomplishments of Quebec, when you look at the Colorado achievements all you will see is the success they have achieved since their inception 95/96 season onwards.

There is also the case of the Winnipeg Jets, they existed between 1972 and 1996, before relocating the franchise to Phoenix, where they became the Phoenix Coyotes, however, last summer a different "Franchise" in a team called the Atlanta Thrashers had their "franchise" relocate to Winnipeg and became the Winnipeg Jets.

Whilst the teams do not hold values of stating that they were champions under their previous guise's none of the teams try to lay claim to the achievements of the previous regime, however, they do honour things like Franchise scorering leadres across the teams etc, retired numbers etc.... So the players individual contributions to the franchise...
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Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

max761 wrote:

well the truth is that Wimbledon has moved from the area of Wimbledon in 1992
so what does that mean? What we have ceased to be Wimbledon in 1992?

Wimbledon FC are dead, the spirit of the club lives on at AFC Wimbledon. Ask Dave Basset, ask Laurie Sanchez, ask John Fashanu, ask Vinnie Jones (his FA Cup medal has been loaned to the club for permanent display), ask Joe Kinnear, and yes, ask John Hartson.

The Franchise have nothing to do with Wimbledon.

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I argue that the fans AFCW liars and falsifiers. You have enough?

You really do not have a clue what you are talking about.

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On how many games I was at Wimbledon? Unfortunately, I was able to get to my club until 2011.

....and that is why you do not have a clue. You have little knowledge of Wimbledon FC or the long fight by the fans against the club being stolen.

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But before I went to the game against Norway, Wales, Israel, Maccabi, Celtic - when the team traveled to Russia, Ukraine, Belarus - I met with former Wimbledon players and spoke to them.

for example - Ukraine, Donetsk, November, 2004

Good for you (John Hartson considers AFCW as the true continuation of Wimbledon FC)

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But then you write a complete nonsense. MKD has nothing to do with Wimbledon? So what?

So what? so drop Dons and make your own history.

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AFCW have? AFCW conducts matches away from the Wimbledon area as well as MKD. This may not be the determining factor ... If you start to define "who is the real Wimbledon" by a factor of - "who is close to Wimbledon" - then Fulham and Chelsea are much more right to be called real Wimbledon - of course this is nonsense
I am very glad that you liked the scarf))

AFCW are the continuation of the spirit of the club and are working actively to return to Wimbledon. What connection to Wimbledon do MKD have? only that you stole the club.

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Maybe it's time to think AFCW change the name? For example, on "Norbiton Tons" or "Norbiton Wankers"

Did you learn that from MKD forums?

You should stop writing nonsense on a subject you know nothing about and stop reproducing rubbish you have read on MKD forums.

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After today's conversation, I know I'll call my book (I hope that I could write this book) - "The Story of Betrayal" - as most of the fans turned away from his club and just berayed him

Any person who knows anything about this tragic story will tell you the owners of the club betrayed the fans. You continue to show that you know nothing about the subject.

Read and learn: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/spo.....rness.html
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Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

max761 wrote:

I really like the tone with which you write

Because you have no understanding of the feeling that this subject generates amongst Wimbledon fans.

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Of course I was stupid and did not understand.

Yes, it very much looks like it.

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we will meet in the Wimbledon area of ordinary people and ask - "Where is Wimbledon FC" I guarantee - you will be ashamed of)))

Oh dear, if I were you I would stop writing such nonsense Laughing

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Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

max761 wrote:

I thought that you did not have the courage to hear the truth even from me but from the usual, ordinary residents of Wimbledon Very Happy

You have never been to Wimbledon have you, far less conducting a survey of residents! stop making yourself look a fool Wave

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Drvonshineck · Joined: 24 Dec 2011 Posts: 525 Location: Scotland

I must say Max, of all the teams you could have chose when you came to the UK to pick it is a very strange one.

Across Britain there are so many teams with passionate fans entrenched with history and character.

MK Dons really aren't one of them.

Why did you chose to support them?

Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

Drvonshineck wrote:

I must say Max, of all the teams you could have chose when you came to the UK to pick it is a very strange one.

Across Britain there are so many teams with passionate fans entrenched with history and character.

MK Dons really aren't one of them.

Why did you chose to support them?

He lives in Ukraine and has learned his version of history on the internet, through MK Dons forums.

You know, I do not understand at all why the people who run that club continue to pretend they have any sort of links to the old Wimbledon FC.

They should drop the Dons part of their name and forge their own identity, they may even gradually become accepted as a real football club by football fans. Until they do this, most football fans will treat them with disdain.

As I say to any football fan on the subject, I hope nobody comes along and steals your club.
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Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

max761 wrote:

Of course, I have never been to Wimbledon - ever!

Very good, did you then go on to survey the residents of Wimbledon and tell any AFCW fans that their club is in Milton Keynes?

You are very lucky no Wimbledon fans caught you with that shit on the Plough Lane memorial.

Mr T

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Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

max761 wrote:

No - I asked a neutral question - "where is Wimbledon FC?"
and all answered me - "The club moved to MK" no one even thought of AFCW

Of course you did Laughing

This is becoming strangely amusing - Ukrainian man conducts survey in Wimbledon High Street - please carry on Laughing

What other little gems can you come up with?
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Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

max761 wrote:

It's all words. Ordinary words are liberally dispersed fans AFCW.
I offered the usual way to find out the truth - ask the people living in the area of Wimbledon.

The football fans in Wimbledon go to watch AFCW ( or maybe Chelsea or Fulham!).

In your survey, did you ask how many attended matches in Milton Keynes?

Laughing

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Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3572

max761 wrote:

Do you have what I call, or just blah blah blah?

That is what you have been saying all through this discussion Laughing

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James · Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 485

OK look at it another way, I'm a Tottenham fan, if Tottenham would have moved to the Olympic Stadium would i still support them, would they still be Tottenham?? Well not really they would be playing outside of Tottenham, the thing that makes them Tottenham is the part of London they are from, if they moved to the Olympic Park they would no longer be Tottenham they would have to be called something else, how can another community claim the success that was gained when the club was in the Tottenham area, how can a club from Stratford claim to have anythign to do with Tottenham's 1991 Fa Cup Final success of the 1963 ECWC Success, or the Tottenham double in 1961.

The club's identity would have nothing to do with Tottenham, it would not be the same, and i would cease all support for the team as they would no longer be the team i support, i would in essence be left teamless.
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Ruud Van Driver · Joined: 16 Feb 2011 Posts: 1265

Have to say that if Leeds United moved to the moon I'd still support them...but I'd only go to away games

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James · Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 485

Ruud Van Driver wrote:

Have to say that if Leeds United moved to the moon I'd still support them...but I'd only go to away games

But would they still be Leeds United?????

They could be called Moon FC...
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