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Flaming Pie



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:23 pm 
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Obtained this postcard the other day off a top eBay seller, who comes up with ( to me) some really interesting items. Some on the forum might have noticed it for sale . The seller thinks the great Billy Meredith is in the line-up ,but is not absolutely certain . The ball appears to have CFC 1906 . Could it be Meredith’s old club Chirk? Perhaps he was making a guest appearance for them . Address on the back is a house in Shrewsbury.. Billy was banned from football for a season, 1905-06 . Is this a charity game that he appeared in to keep up his fitness? Seller thinks the player , far left second row is Billy, l think it might be the player second to the left front row. It’s no big deal either way , if it’s not the great man. Just wandering if any forum members can throw any light on this. I think Man Unt Leslie mentioned once that he did see him play Laughing


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holtie96



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:00 pm 
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Hi there
I placed this item on Twitter for people’s views especially United collectors and they were adamant that it was not Meredith.
Sorry!
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Flaming Pie



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:16 pm 
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Thanks Holtie, as l mentioned , the seller was very honest and wasn’t certain. I thought l’ll buy it and have a closer look. It was only a couple of quid. It’s not a very clear photo, but the strange thing is , he thought the second row player was Billy, but l thought front row man on the left with moustache looked more like him. It’s all just a bit of fun!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:17 pm 
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Apologies I think I may have only showed the image on the second row and not the front row! So you never know!
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colchestersid



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:12 pm 
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Can't see a toothpick so hard to say...

By the way if you haven't read it then get hold of "Football Wizard - The Story of Billy Meredith" by John Harding - absolutely fantastic book
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Flaming Pie



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:02 am 
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That’s a great book Sid. How the hell did Billy ever play running with a toothpick in his mouth? I wonder have any discarded ones ever come up for sale Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:48 pm 
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colchestersid wrote:
Can't see a toothpick so hard to say...

By the way if you haven't read it then get hold of "Football Wizard - The Story of Billy Meredith" by John Harding - absolutely fantastic book


Yes a fantastic book. A fascinating football life, with many highs and a few lows too. Loved the descriptions of the old City and United grounds.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:35 pm 
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If this photograph is from 1905/6 then it cannot be Billy Meredith. He was banned from playing for being involved in bribery. As he was such a well-known player he would have been noticed if playing football, and if so he would then have been banned for life. Also the player is not the captain, presumably he is the one with the ball.

It could be his brother Sam Meredith. He joined Leyton from Stoke in May 1905. Both Sam and Billy played for Chick.

In truth its probably neither as they look a bit like a team further down the line.
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Flaming Pie



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:02 pm 
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Good points New Forest. I did once see a banned for life player, Tony Kay, playing against West Kirby in a charity game. This was l think the summer of 1966. He was named in the programme as The Mystery Man. If circumstances had been different he could have been playing in a World Cup Final that summer. I love this photo of Meredith
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:16 pm 
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Hi Mr. Pie


Yes I saw Billy play at Portsmouth in his 3rd game for United and FA Cup Debut in 1907-got a photo too.

I have sent you a PM as well

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:45 pm 
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Talking of Billy Meredith, I note there are a couple of his items for sale in the next Graham Budd auction, a Wales cap and a handwritten postcard.

https://bidlive.grahambuddauctions.co.uk/auctions/8009/srgrah10031?term=billy+meredith
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:16 pm 
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overlap wrote:
Talking of Billy Meredith, I note there are a couple of his items for sale in the next Graham Budd auction, a Wales cap and a handwritten postcard.

https://bidlive.grahambuddauctions.co.uk/auctions/8009/srgrah10031?term=billy+meredith


I was aware of the Cap as I know the vendor very well and i could have obtained it prior, BUT it is dated 1924 when he had left United 3 years earlier. I suspect it will end up in the Welsh Museum.-CORRECTION IT IS 1909-10-my error, but the same vendor has another one of his caps dated 1924 and i thought that was the one he had put in. As i mentioned I had the opportunity to consider it but i would rather spend that kind of money on something appertaining to Manchester United or Newton Heath when you are talking at that level.

I have started to upload some new items i have very recently obtained from a former United players Family, there are some very interesting and unique programmes and other non programme items that i will add onto the sight before the year is out and that lot will be on a par with what Billys Cap is expected to fetch plus the dreaded 20 odd % on top, besides the Welsh Museum will perhaps want it badly enough as well as some Welsh private collectors and will not be looking to take prisoners over it for sure!

I have a couple of those signed cards already and some nice bits n pieces re Meredith, this is a link to those items but my favorite is HIS original Players Union Cloth Badge that i obtained from one of his relatives some years back via an Auction House. https://flic.kr/s/aHsjv36kjG
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