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Flaming Pie
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SeasideMark
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:08 pm
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Wrexham and Holywell were both members of the Welsh League (North) from 58/9 to the mid 1970s when Wrexham left. The poster will refer to a game played at the Racecourse, Wrexham, rather than Halkyn Road, Holywell as Reece printers always put the opposition in bigger typesize than Wrexham on their posters to the best of my knowledge. Also Holywell had it's own printworks - Williams and Mansley in Leadworks Lane - who printed Chester's programmes for years as well as HTFC programmes in the 50s and 60s so it's safe to assume it was for a Wrexham home game in my view. If you can find out what year October 1st fell on a Saturday you should be close to getting an answer. There are guys on this forum who are far more clued up on Wrexham than me but I'm confident I am on the right lines here. A trawl through the Welsh Football Data Archive doesn't reveal Wrexham and the Wellmen competing in the same league prior to the late 50s but I stand to be corrected.
It's lovely to be able to assist with a query from my neck of the woods - doesn't happen often!
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Flaming Pie
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:52 am
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Mark, many thanks for taking the time to check this out. The seller did some research himself and thought it was 1929-30 Season. He did think it was a Wrexham away game. I haven’t checked this myself, but seller said the 1st Oct 1929 fell on a Saturday. Perhaps Wrexham Reserves played Holywell on this date at The Racecourse? If it was a Reserve game, would they have bothered getting posters printed? Then again, perhaps posters were printed for all Wrexham matches? If they did, l don’t think many have survived. Looking at admission prices for matches at Wrexham, they seem to fluctuate. I think you had a poster for a Racecourse match( Rhyl) from 1921. This came up looking for early Wrexham posters.. Stand and enclosure for yours was 1 shilling 6 pence. On the poster l’ve got its 1shilling for the stands and enclosure. But l don’t think that the lower price for entry to the stands on mine necessarily means its an earlier match. Perhaps they charged what they wanted for each individual game? The telephone number on the one l have got is just 377 for Breese Bros Printers, Wrexham. I don’t know if this helps identify a date? On the subject of posters , l also picked up this Widnes Rugby League team v Liverpool FC recently as well. I didn’t intend to become a poster collector, but it looks like it’s happening |
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SeasideMark
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:59 am
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Interesting stuff! If Wrexham's ressies and Holywell were in the same league in 1929/30 then my guess is it would have been the Welsh National League (North) which ran from 1921/2 to 1929/30 but there are seemingly no available records for this competition to check that assumption out. As I said, there are forum members out there with a far greater knowledge of Wrexham than me and I am sure one or two will jump in and solve this conundrum for us! |
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se20blue
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:53 pm
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according to this link
https://www.easycalculation.com/date-day/same-calendar-years.php
Saturday 1st October occurred in 1921 1927 1932 1938 1949 1955 1960 & 1966
NOT 1929.
added 1921 _________________ Ipswich Town programmes required,please message me if you are able to help
9/2/46 Norwich City A
29/3/47 Port Vale A
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Flaming Pie
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 1:21 pm
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se20blue, many thanks for that. If The Welsh National League ( North) ran from 1921-30 it looks like 1927 could be the year. I will see if l can check some Welsh newspapers for that 1st Oct 1927 date. They might have the fixtures. |
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Pablo2019
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:40 pm
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What an excellent and interesting item and even better help and responses from well informed and genuinely helpful posters, rather than the usual sarcastic, bitter ones. |
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Grumpypants
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:03 pm
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From what I have found out, Saturday 1st October fell on the years 1932, 1938, 1949, 1955, 1960, 1966, 1977, 1983, 1988, 1994....
Hope this can assist you in some way.
By the way 1st October 1929 fell on a Tuesday. |
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Grumpypants
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:05 pm
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Oh damn!!! Too late, info I provided was trumped by others. Great info by others. |
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Flaming Pie
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Flaming Pie
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 3:13 pm
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Thanks Grumpy. |
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manchesterunitedman1
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:08 pm
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Flaming Pie wrote: |
I purchased this Welsh League match poster a few days ago of a good eBay seller. Just liked the look of it and thought it would be interesting to research. . It’s definitely an original. lt looks like the home team are Holywell, the poster was printed by Reece Bros , Wrexham. Wrexham joined The Football League North in 1921. In their early days they played in The Welsh League for a few seasons (1894-96) . It could be, but I don’t really think the poster can be that old! Post Second- World - War , Wrexham Reserves played the odd season in The Welsh League. Admission prices to the ground on the poster are 8p and l shilling for the enclosure or stand. Boys under 15 half price.. l have been trying to date it from these admission prices and think it might be early 1930s. Has anyone got any ideas on a year for this match poster? Many thanks . |
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:38 pm
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Well done all, a fascinating thread, a great poster and an interesting hobby to get into. Keep going, Mr Pie. |
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Maybe a section for Posters could be sorted out as I am sure there will be quite a number in the hands of Forum members, if anyone else feels the same way then lets have a bit of a poll and if there is sufficient interest we can lobby Past Pirate?.
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That poster has been doing the rounds for years, I owned it about 15 years ago and it eventually sold on eBay for £125 and it was listed as from 1921 when I bought it. It’s been bought and sold at numerous auction houses and eBay ever since. |
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