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[pompeypete]

What a disgrace........

How bad was that

You can see why the premier league needs overseas players


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[Topbidwinsagain]

Do not know what all the fuss is about---we knew England was out of Europe last Friday.

Tonight it was Iceland -- next fixture v. Tesco?

Congratulations to Iceland -- a night that they will never forget and well deserved.

[Tynie Topics]

The whole ITV commentary team and pundits need to learn some respect, it was an utter disgrace. From comparing Iceland to San Marino to discussing at half time whether Hart should be dropped for the quarter-final.

Then after the defeat comparing it to USA in 1950, arrogance beyond belief. Here are some of Iceland's results from qualifying;

Iceland 3 Turkey 0
Iceland 2 Netherlands 0
Iceland 2 Czech Republic 1
Netherlands 0 Iceland 1

Well done Iceland.
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[Flackwell Lad]

What's lacking in the players is motivation and passion, I know they shouldn't need it playing for their country, but that's clearly what they were lacking tonight. Just look at the England rugby union team and what they have done in the past year, 8th in the world and an early exit from the wold cup, they then bring in Eddie Jones an Australian coach and now we are 2nd in the world with a 3-0 whitewash over the wallabies just completed. We need someone in charge with those qualities, someone who can motivate players when things are not going well, and someone with plenty of passion for the job.

[James73]

I totally agree with Flackwell Lad. The FA should take a step bakc, swallow their pride and take a look at the way the RFU handled a World Cup disaster on home soil.

We do have the players and the squad before the tournament, apart from a couple of selections, made me genuinely excited for the first time in years. Trouble is that Roy still didn't know his best line up and didn't have a plan C or D let alone B.

We need a coach who will not just install passion but also has the technical ability to know how to break down teams and how to set up the attack when defending. ITV was poor in their commentary but Hoddle made so much sense in his analysis. I know not everyone will agree but we could do a lot worse.

[Dorking]

Tynie Topics wrote:

. Then after the defeat comparing it to USA in 1950, arrogance beyond belief. Here are some of Iceland's results from qualifying; Iceland 3 Turkey 0 Iceland 2 Netherlands 0 Iceland 2 Czech Republic 1 Netherlands 0 Iceland 1 Well done Iceland.

Well said TT.
That said, still one win from four games against Slovakia, Russia, Wales, Iceland. Time for Roy to go and everyone knew it. Even if we had squeezed through, wed have lost to France with no real game plan. Losing to Iceland was like when a 'big' team in the Prem loses to a Pulis side - ie the Pulis side earned it.

Just a case of finding the next FA 'yes man' - Southgate the front runner in all such respects.

[pompeypete]

30% of English players make up the Premier league......

Perhaps with the UK coming out of europe, a more robust qualification will

be needed to play in our leagues.......

But as we all know "Money Talks", so the premier league will just soldier on.........Not our problem they will say !!!!

Surely it cant be just bad managers.......

No passion, No movement, No idea
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[kcs]

Well played Iceland, thoroughly deserved. They outplayed and out thought England in all departments.
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[foxes1]

Hodgson had no idea what his best team was or what tactics he was going to play. The Friendlies before the Euros he was still trying systems out. He has Kane taking free-kicks from out wide why he should be in the box.
The team that won the Premiership last season had one player in the squad and West Ham who have some good English players had none whilst Liverpool who failed miserably had about 6. Wilshere hardly played all season got in the squad.
English players are overrated and overpriced I mean Watford want 30 million for Deeney, do me a favour he is not worth half that.

Ah well back to watching the EPL next season and Leicester City a team that plays with passion and heart and always gives 100%, lets hope we don't get blinded by the money that's coming in.

[James73]

Foxes1 I applaud you

Here's to another title race

[wandererpaul]

If Gareth Southgate gets the job, that's England finished for 2018. Seriously? A failed club manager getting the top job?

There are only three current English candidates, in managerial roles, imo; Howe, Dyche and Warburton. Going back to Hoddle, is a possibility, but I'd like to see Howe alongside him.

The FA haven't a clue as who to pick for the next England boss.

The ERU picked Jones and were lucky that a top coach was available. But, rugby hasn't the money swishing around as football does. Any premier club can pay more for a manager than the EFA could.

England have a massive problem. Four WC qualifiers before xmas, easy on paper but, with the players confidence shot to pieces, it'll be a brave man to say we'd win 12 points from those matches, even if they're against Slovenia, Malta, Slovakia and Scotland.

This has been a shit week! Brexit and now England football.

When does the season start again? We can forget all about this then.
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[gfcpaul]

Firstly i totally agree with your comments TT, Holland and Turkey are not the forces they once were but it was still an impressive achievement.
As for last night, sadly the writing was on the wall.
To have a Manager who doesn't know his best 11, his best formation and is tactically inept equals the dire tournament we've had.
On top of this putting loyalty before current form is utter madness, the usual England disease of picking part or half fit players continues.
Although it won't happen i'd love to see Howe get the job, i presume the powers that be will say he's to young and maybe ready for the 2030 World Cup but who knows.
Still time for some of the failure's to get a few weeks on the beach before the Prem re-starts.
Can somebody please bring back pride and passion in playing for your country.

[CodeXIII]

Abysmal.

Too many worrying about their net worth. No passion.
Time for a GB team.

The FA are piss poor. they get twenty million quid to invest in grass roots from sport england even with the billions coming in from TV money

The whole top layer of FA yes men and useless toffs needs removing.

Greg Dyke WTF...remember when he played for... or obviously when he managed....

with the exception of Vardy and Rashford the rest of the shower should be dropped. utter waste of space.

Andros Townsend, Defoe and Noble must be having a quiet smile to themselves

[Five and In]

Where do I start? Easy - Well done Iceland!!

Who's fault? Ultimately, the FA's!

Hodgson should have gone after the debacle of the World Cup in Brazil.
In fact, I would go as far to say he should never have been given the job in the first place. The best job he had ever been given before (Liverpool) proved to be too big for him.
The fact that we won ten out of ten in qualifying, on paper looked good, but we all know that most of those games should be easy wins.
The same old mistakes were made - Let's take some injured players, let's take players out of form, let's stick with the ones that are not doing it on the pitch.
I feared the worst after the Russia game. I have not seen any pundit mention it, but I was angered by Gary Cahill at the final whistle. Wearing the captain's armband, he laid flat out on the pitch feeling sorry for himself. As the appointed leader, he should have been instantly trying to lift the youngsters morale. We know a John Terry type would have been doing so.
Last night especially, the confidence in almost all the players looked completely shot. Failing to trap a ball that a five year old can do summed it up.
Kane back on corners and free kicks. What was that about?

Going back, we made our bed twenty years ago losing Venables and Hoddle for non footballing reasons.
A succession of money grabbing foreigners and poor English managers have followed.
I do not care what happens off the pitch if we are performing on it.

Final word - If we had put as much thought into the tactics as we did in working out who was going to carry Leo the Lion around, we might still be there!

[Tynie Topics]

wandererpaul wrote:

Four WC qualifiers before xmas, easy on paper but, with the players confidence shot to pieces, it'll be a brave man to say we'd win 12 points from those matches, even if they're against Slovenia, Malta, Slovakia and Scotland.

Easy, really? You only drew with Slovakia in the Euros (who beat Spain in the qualifiers), and Scotland is hardly "easy", Slovenia are no mugs either. Croatia and Italy only recorded 1-0 wins in Malta last qualifying campaign.

This is part of the problems with England, arrogance. It shone through in last nights woeful TV coverage, treated the opponent with utter disdain and were genuinely shocked when Iceland won, totally ignoring their form in the qualifiers and totally ignoring them in the post match analysis.
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[wandererpaul]

CodeXIII wrote:

Too many worrying about their net worth. No passion. Time for a GB team.

That's an insult to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland!

They do play with passion.

Plus, you'd still see the squad of 23 made up, predominantly, of English players with one or two from each of the other nations. It will never happen and it will certainly never work.
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[Tynie Topics]

CodeXIII wrote:

Too many worrying about their net worth. No passion. Time for a GB team.

We're quite happy as we are thanks.
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[wandererpaul]

Tynie Topics wrote:

wandererpaul wrote: Four WC qualifiers before xmas, easy on paper but, with the players confidence shot to pieces, it'll be a brave man to say we'd win 12 points from those matches, even if they're against Slovenia, Malta, Slovakia and Scotland. Easy, really? You only drew with Slovakia in the Euros (who beat Spain in the qualifiers), and Scotland is hardly "easy", Slovenia are no mugs either. Croatia and Italy only recorded 1-0 wins in Malta last qualifying campaign. This is part of the problems with England, arrogance. It shone through in last nights woeful TV coverage, treated the opponent with utter disdain and were genuinely shocked when Iceland won, totally ignoring their form in the qualifiers and totally ignoring them in the post match analysis.

No arrogance at all.

I said, "easy on paper", which is what they should be.

versus Slovakia, England have won 3 (drawn 1) out of the 4 matches.

versus Malta, England have won all 3.

versus Slovenia, England have won all 4.

versus Scotland, since '66, England have won 18 compared to Scotland's 7 wins.

So, as I said, on paper, it should be easy.

However, England don't have a manager or coaching system, as they all resigned. It will need to be a speedy appointment, unless they go for a stop gap, like Southgate, which will be a crap appointment. England FA have serious issues, they will never address them as they're too aloof and too self important themselves.
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[Flackwell Lad]

The whole top layer of FA yes men and useless toffs needs removing.


That's a good point...how do they get voted in to the job, and who has the power to remove them if they are not seen to be doing there job. Those in charge at the F.A. are quick to sack a manager not performing....but who sacks them?

[littlewiggy]

Belgian commentator on Hodgson last night ...

"He is watching the game like a cow watching a train pass by - he has no idea what is happening"