Chelsea FC 1909-1910 Rare pin badge on Ebay

[Valky]

Hi guys,
Need your help please.
This badge is listed on ebay but I am a little cynical that it could be 105 years old. Am I just too cynical a person?
Many thanks
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chel.....Track=true

[goonerboy]

seller says it is 100% genuine .......if it is and i have no knowledge at all on the matter but it is amazing/real credit to the badge maker that they had such a good picture on the badge. It would have been a real quality item i would imagine in the day. There was not many programmes with pictures in those days so to have such a team picture on such a small item...wow

[manchesterunitedman1]

Very nice item the Chelsea badge perhaps like this one they may be the only ones left in existence?


https://flic.kr/p/6j6Dsn

[DannyRoberts]

It is genuine. I saw the actual badge last Wednesday when the vendor had it in his possession at a boot fair.
The picture is faded and the back is very rusty but, nevertheless, quite scarce as you can imagine.
The only other time I have seen it was at a Bonhams auction in Chester about 7 years ago when a collection of four Chelsea badges (including this one and others from the period) were sold in a single lot for around £240 plus commission. The Bonhams example of the badge currently on eBay was in much better condition - very little fading and much less rustier.

[Valky]

Thanks all for your help, much appreciated

[Dorking]

Sorry just seen this thread, slipped my attention for some reason. The badge is genuine.

A similar Palace one exists from 1906/7







and is also totally genuine

[treble99]

i have made no secret of the fact that modern badges don't float my boat any more than the modern collecting habit of things that ealers offer like newspapers from a European game that appear for fivers and tenners.

Old and interesting badges do arouse an interest for me and the badge in thread certainly fit that bill

I have collected four badges for my own collection that i consider interesting
I offer them up now hopefully for your entertainment and even possibly discussion as i know little about them
Two of the badges are the same(well where's there is one there are two)
In actual fact there are 3 as i saw one offered at a fair a couple of years ago.
They are Manchester United stewards badges.They are made of cork with a cloth back and a safety pin
I suspect 1930's but that is just a guess
As for valuation the other one on offer at the fair was north of £1000 but i can't remember specifically the figure and it didn't sell on the day anyway
Any badge experts want to take a guess at the value

Also shown is a "beat up" metal Stewards badge
Again what era and what is it worth
It has been suggested 1920's

Final offering is a Committee badge
I suspect as there would not have been many committee members this could be the rarest
Again what era and what value

As usual these and many other Manchester United gems can be see at the winner of the big willy competition on my flickr page

[Fishy]

Not my main area of collecting at all but I just wanted to thank all the posters above for the pics - really interesting.

Just for info - is there any info about the early 1900s badges above?
Were they a private issue or?
How many clubs were covered or are they that rare that nobody knows?

Great history chaps - thanks again.

[Pete’s Picture Palace]

Dorking wrote:

Sorry just seen this thread, slipped my attention for some reason. The badge is genuine. A similar Palace one exists from 1906/7 and is also totally genuine

Not seen that before Dorking!

[Auchinleckian]

Ray, at Auchinleck Talbot our committee oversee everything to do with the club, and very successfully too. Would the committee at MUFC have had the same kind of remit as there would undoubtedly have been a board of directors who would not liked to have seen their importance undermined?

Assume it could probably be from a Supporter's Club? Was there an official Supporters Club at the time? Or is there a history of United having a specific committee with delegated powers outwith the board, and if so what would there remit have been?

[treble99]

Auchinleckian wrote:

Ray, at Auchinleck Talbot our committee oversee everything to do with the club, and very successfully too. Would the committee at MUFC have had the same kind of remit as there would undoubtedly have been a board of directors who would not liked to have seen their importance undermined? Assume it could probably be from a Supporter's Club? Was there an official Supporters Club at the time? Or is there a history of United having a specific committee with delegated powers outwith the board, and if so what would there remit have been?

Possibly ground committee

They were certainly around(and important) in 1909

The notes in the United programmes of the 1930's saw the emergence of a supporters club
This club seemed to be responsible in developing the terraces as regards to refreshment huts and the like
They definately had a committee as well

All food for thought

[Dorking]

Nice badges Treble, there won't be many of those about! Thanks for sharing.

The badges further up the thread are montages of all the official head and shoulders photos of the time. You used to see Cup Final postcards from that sort of period, which were collages of the head and shoulder photos.




Until Valky had put the Chelsea one up at the start of this thread, I'd not seen another one like the Palace one, so it shows the value of sharing info and pics on forums like this, as shared knowledge is great!

[RoddyN]

Went for £73.00. I thought it may have made somewhat more.

[manchesterunitedman1]

RoddyN wrote:

Went for £73.00. I thought it may have made somewhat more.

I agree and it would have done if it had been Manchester United, the sign of a really big club with a vast army of collectors not a handful of loonies who have more cash than sense, point in case Bonetti for one thing.

10 years ago the United badge hammered at Sotheby's from 1902 for just over £1000 and if another or a similar one turned up I would expect the worldwide interest to maintain that level such is the collecting power of Manchester United-these are facts, so any of the United 8 ers can pipe down as if it involves United it usually sells for a lot more than it would have if it had been another club.
Nowt to debate it's a fact Raffa!

[BarnsleyCollector]

I have seen a tin / metal Barnsley badge similar to the Chelsea one with portraits of all the players. Didn't keep a note or image of it but seem to remember it was around 1907/08 - the same date as the postcard shown above

[sydenham hill]

This badge very similar to the Chelsea badge at the start of this thread was produced by the photographer Petingalls from Chingford, i was recently researching the 1901 Cup Final and on reading the Football Evening News newspaper which was printed on the day of the final at the Crystal Palace, it mentions in it`s report that this badge was manufactured before the final by the thousands and was worn by Spurs supporters on Cup Final day, which makes the badge pretty special to me

[Dorking]

Nice one AG, and great research!
I for one am glad that my club isn't so widely collected that an ordinary working man like myself can still afford many interesting 'treasures' from its history when the opportunity occurs. Sod paying several hundred for an equivalent item I can get for my club for a fraction of the cost.

Value maybe is all relative but phew, glad I'm not in that league of collecting

[sydenham hill]

[img]Here`s another one i have, this is for the Wednesday Football Club winners of the 1907 F A Cup , these badges normally had a paper insert at the back,advertising local businesses, who i assume paid for these badges to be manufactured

[manchesterunitedman1]

Dorking wrote:

Nice one AG, and great research! I for one am glad that my club isn't so widely collected that an ordinary working man like myself can still afford many interesting 'treasures' from its history when the opportunity occurs. Sod paying several hundred for an equivalent item I can get for my club for a fraction of the cost. Value maybe is all relative but phew, glad I'm not in that league of collecting

Hi

I would just like to mention if I may that I also am an ordinary working man who started at 15 and in my 65th year this year still works a full 5 day a week and has no intention of retiring I might add.

This is my hobby and nothing else.

If my club had not had the success it has I would still be collecting it as I did when they were a big name but won little.
I am delighted that I am in that league of collecting and I have been fortunate to find a few nice bits n pieces over the years and yes because of their wide appeal I have had to pay more but it is worth more perhaps in the long term.

Today at Sportingold I was watching a run of mudane Villa homes from 1927-8 go under the hammer one lot v Man U sold for 280 +20% but either side of that lot v some of the other teams also from the same season they scraped just 50 or 60quid so maybe u are more than right in that MU will clean you out faster than most others if that is what u want. I did not buy that Villa item I might add even though I do not have it as it was not worth it to me but it was worth it to two others who battled it out.

Then again I have some pleasure in refusing £2200 for that 1902 United badge 8 months ago-the only one of it's kind still in existence maybe like the other badges on this thread from that period-absolutely brilliant that they have been rescued over the years by us mere collectors and that goes for mountains of programmes, tickets, menu's, papers, photos that had maybe others had their way may well have been consigned to the rubbish bin where I believe more has gone that way than has survived!

We are all curators of our own museum's/collections large or small, in depth or otherwise, expensive or modest waiting for the next person to take charge of what has given to us some really great pleasure and still does for the majority, they pass through our hands like life itself but one day it comes to the end-so who takes up the baton....probably for most Sportingold, Sporting Memorys, FSA, Graham Budd and the like and disperses it to all 4 corners of the globe where someone else adds it to what they already have and the process just continues.....

[sydenham hill]

Pete’s Picture Palace wrote:

Dorking wrote: Sorry just seen this thread, slipped my attention for some reason. The badge is genuine. A similar Palace one exists from 1906/7 and is also totally genuine Not seen that before Dorking!

This palace badge was probably produced to commemorate Palace`s amazing victory over the great Newcastle united team at St James`s park in the first round of the 1906-07 F A Cup competition, arguably the biggest cup shock in history,