Nobby Stiles to sell his medals

[Eddie Reeve]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-11294847

I expect there may be other items at this auction which may be of interest to some people

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[stodin]

By my reckoning that will make only 4 players who still have their medal from the 1966 world cup

Jack Charlton
Bobby Charlton
Martin Peters
Roger Hunt

Obviously not including the ones that were issued last year to people who didnt play in the game

[Tynie Topics]

May pop along to that auction given that it's in Edinburgh.
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[tcno10]

30 lots to be auctioned off,
that will boost the attendees that day I'm sure,
I bet Dave is delighted with the potential commission coming from that lot.
I think a day out in Bonnie Scotland is long overdue.

[tommy]

Stiles’ medals aim for a record score
Reproduced From – The Antiques Trade Gazette

SPORT is never far from controversy these days. So it was no surprise when the news that George Best’s and Nobby Stiles’s most valued medals and trophies were to be sold that there was an outcry in certain sections of the media.

As the saying goes, though, any publicity is good publicity and the attention is only likely to add to the already high level of interest that these auctions have generated – it may even help the two great players' collections bring a very welcome fillip to the memorabilia market.

After a disappointing summer with confidence hardly lifted by England's unimpressive performance in the World Cup, and with few top football lots coming to the market, the sales at Bonhams and Convery Auctions could raise over £500,000 – an amount not seen in the sector since the auction series in the summer of 2005.

When it was made public that the Manchester United and England great Nobby Stiles would be selling 45 lots of memorabilia at Convery Auctions' in Edinburgh on October 27 – including his 1966 World Cup winner's medal – some football commentators thought it scandalous that such a legend of the game should be selling his prized possessions for financial reasons when the sport is so awash with money.

However, Nobby Stiles, 68, who suffered a stroke in June, said in a statement that his decision to sell his collection had been taken after much soul searching. "It was always my intention to leave the entire collection to my children," he said. "But I have three sons – how do you fairly divide up this sort of collection between them?

"I'm as patriotic as the next Englishman... but at this stage of my life, I would rather have some control over the distribution of my memorabilia and know that my family will benefit."

One of his sons told BBC Radio 5 Live that, while he hoped an offer might emerge to keep the collection together, ideally from a museum, the family would be happy to see the items sell at auction for a fair price. He added that the medals had been kept in a bank, while some of the shirts were in a box in the loft.

The World Cup winner's medal is understandably the highlight of the collection and is estimated at £100,000-150,000 at Convery Auctions.

Nobby Stiles is not the first of the victorious 1966 team to sell his winner's medal: Sir Geoff Hurst, Gordon Banks, George Cohen, Ray Wilson and Martin Peters have all done so, as did the late Alan Ball, whose medal made £140,000 at Christie's South Kensington in May 2005 and holds the auction record for any football medal.

Captain Bobby Moore's 1966 winner's medal was part of the player's collection sold posthumously to the West Ham club museum in 2000.

Other items from the Nobby Stiles collection at Convery Auctions are his 1966 World Cup cap (estimate: £20,000-30,000); his 1968 European Cup winner's medal (estimate: £20,000-30,000); his blue Manchester United shirt worn in the same final against Benfica (estimate: £15,000-20,000); and Alan Ball's 1966 World Cup Final shirt (estimate: £20,000-30,000), which Stiles acquired from Ball in a swap after the match.

Meanwhile, Bonhams Chester will offer 13 lots from George Best's collection on October 20. The financial needs of the former Manchester United and Northern Ireland winger's estate have forced the sale.

The highlight is Best's 1968 European Cup winner's medal, secured alongside Stiles, when Best scored the winning goal in extra time in their famous 4-1 victory. It is estimated at £90,000-120,000.

The consignment also includes a replica of his European Cup winner's medal, which was made by the Professional Footballers' Association after Best misplaced the original. It is estimated at £8000-10,000.

The 13 lots at Bonhams have a combined pre-sale estimate of £195,000-270,000.

Where are they now? The story of the 1966 medals

Gordon Banks – sold for £110,000 hammer to anonymous phone bidder, Christie's South Kensington, March 2001.

George Cohen – failed on a £60,000 reserve at Christie's in 1998, but sold to a private collector after the sale. Reportedly then sold to his old club, Fulham, for £80,000.

Ray Wilson – sold for £70,000 hammer, Christie's South Kensington, March 2002.

Bobby Moore – sold as part of a £1m-plus private treaty sale of the player's collection to West Ham's club museum. Deal brokered by Christie's in July 2000. The medal is now on display in Upton Park.

Jackie Charlton – retained by player. Said he would never consider selling it.

Alan Ball – sold for £140,000 hammer, Christie's South Kensington, May 2005.

Nobby Stiles – offered by Convery Auctions later this month.

Martin Peters – sold privately in 2001 to West Ham United. Also on display in the club museum.

Bobby Charlton – retained by player (on loan to Manchester United club museum).

Roger Hunt – retained by player.

Sir Geoff Hurst – sold his collection at Christie's South Kensington in September 2000 (including his 1966 shirt for £80,000 hammer), but kept his medal before selling it privately with other items from his collection for £150,000 to West Ham in 2001.

Note: Manager Sir Alf Ramsey did not get a medal in 1966 but was awarded one posthumously in June 2009 along with the rest of the non-playing members. These medals differed in design from the originals.

[treble99]

i know it is unusual for the press to get things wrong(sic) but one more time they have.
the Nobby Stiles collection is being sold for no other reason than to split the proceeds between his family to stop them falling out.
Nobby is not a rich man by any means but he is not broke.
he has made a decent enough living over the years with after dinner speaking and touring and cruising with the 1966 England team.
all the press outcry such as "it should not be allowed" should go alongside the "not worth much mate" crap we regularly get on this forum.
The Nobby collection was hawked around a lot of places as i am sure any serious Manchester United collector will know and i am also aware that there was an offer of £1/4 million was turned town.
i think that was a good shout as he might expect £125k+ for the medal plus £50k for Alan Ball's shirt(they swapped).then there is the cap.
don't forget the Manchester United European Cup Final plus the 2 championship medals of 1965 and 1967.
not sure what,if any, deal Nobby has done on sellers commission as i believe the agent he used to hawk these around was his after dinner speaking manager and probably not clued up in auction house parlais.
if i was working for Nobby i would want to pay nowt.let Convery take it out he seller side.there will be plenty.
i am also told that Nobby forgot to take the tax implications into account so now let's hope he doesn't croak it for 7 years otherwise Nobby's estate will help cut the government deficit.
after all the crying and moaning perhaps the News of the Screws should buy it and donate it to the Football Museum in Manchester.

George Best is slightly different.
his sister has been beating a drum about how anything that George owned should be returned to the Best family as she believes it should be permanently on display in Belfast.
now it appears the readies are needed.
i am aware that panicky phonecalls are being made to try to stimulate interest because lets face it without the European Cup medal(s) the rest in crappy.

on a personal note if anybody ever gets any quality Manchester United items that they wish to discuss privately and quietly then please send me a pm.
total anonimity guaranteed
some of you already know of me and have dealt with me but others can feel free to ask any questions

[Wullie]

I'm amazed clubs don't buy this stuff for their musems more often. When you think what they pay in wages each week, the sums talked about are a drop in the ocean. I have seen historical documents concerning Sunderland, sell to private collectors . I'm stunned the club have no interest in them.

[treble99]

Manchester United do have a serious interest in Nobby's Manchester United items.