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Eck



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:31 pm 
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easycollector1958



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:52 am 
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Eck wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celtic-v-Hibs-20th-May-1953-Coronation-Cup-Final-Match-Ticket-Rare/292522528067?hash=item441bb38d43:g:BgEAAOSwm3Ba0Lk6


Should this seller not be regestered as a buisness given looks like operating that way ?

Was just thinking that looking at this link and previous sales
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:27 pm 
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easycollector1958 wrote:
Eck wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celtic-v-Hibs-20th-May-1953-Coronation-Cup-Final-Match-Ticket-Rare/292522528067?hash=item441bb38d43:g:BgEAAOSwm3Ba0Lk6


Should this seller not be regestered as a buisness given looks like operating that way ?

Was just thinking that looking at this link and previous sales


I know him personally, he is a major Celtic collector, he buys bulk at times just for one or two items that he doesn't have, I know that is the case with many collectors.
I don't see why this would concern you in any way though.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:51 pm 
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easycollector1958 wrote:
Eck wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celtic-v-Hibs-20th-May-1953-Coronation-Cup-Final-Match-Ticket-Rare/292522528067?hash=item441bb38d43:g:BgEAAOSwm3Ba0Lk6


Should this seller not be regestered as a buisness given looks like operating that way ?

Was just thinking that looking at this link and previous sales


Why would he be expected to register as a business anyway ? is there a limit to the number of sales you can make privately ??
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:10 pm 
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hibernian wrote:
easycollector1958 wrote:
Eck wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celtic-v-Hibs-20th-May-1953-Coronation-Cup-Final-Match-Ticket-Rare/292522528067?hash=item441bb38d43:g:BgEAAOSwm3Ba0Lk6


Should this seller not be regestered as a buisness given looks like operating that way ?

Was just thinking that looking at this link and previous sales


Why would he be expected to register as a business anyway ? is there a limit to the number of sales you can make privately ??



Itís a good shout as I had to register few years back think itís £1000 a year yah irs no the number of sales you can earn tax free on eBay after costs itís the £ note % if selling privately so think this seller has sold far more than that as I follow Scottish pre 70ís he has had many and to be fair not the only one buddy, think quite a few buying and selling not registering yet keep seeing dealers getting slated one way or the other on forums and they put in that extra work so guess just comes down to your morals and what you want to contribute to society and what you donít.

But in answer to your question you can google it up the free personal allowance with H M R C as do what you can and cannot sell tax free per year.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:09 pm 
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Eck wrote:
easycollector1958 wrote:
Eck wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celtic-v-Hibs-20th-May-1953-Coronation-Cup-Final-Match-Ticket-Rare/292522528067?hash=item441bb38d43:g:BgEAAOSwm3Ba0Lk6


Should this seller not be regestered as a buisness given looks like operating that way ?

Was just thinking that looking at this link and previous sales


I know him personally, he is a major Celtic collector, he buys bulk at times just for one or two items that he doesn't have, I know that is the case with many collectors.
I don't see why this would concern you in any way though.


I think itís important that if you are over your income threshold and you buy and sell that you help contribute to society be it roads schools or hospitals and help pay your way the fact that you ď know him personally ď then go on to say ď I donít know why this would concern me ď and I guess you also mean any one else on the forum interested in the topic says a lot if was reading between the lines ?

If you know of other collectors ď buying in bulk ď maybe yourself include ?again you quote ď too keep one or two itemsĒ then I think as a U K older generation citizen whom has seen my own parents struggle through the war years then we build this county up on hard honest ethics that taxes should be paid on earnings if that is what a buyer is trying to do make a profit as a seller regulary by buying and selling.

I generally thought that this was common practice maybe I am in a minority I am new to this board so donít know how it all works, so forgive me if I have got it wrong,
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:28 pm 
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So you don't consider this to be the disposal of chattels? Per Eck they were not purchased with the intention of making a profit which also is indicative of it not being a business and subject to income taxes. Using your logic, then everyone should declare the sale of an old mobile phone after an upgrade as taxable income as that is also something that falls within the realms of chattels.

In addition, if a collection was bought to get a few items and then the remainder sold on, then if this were done so at less than he paid, do you think that HMRC would let this person carry forward the losses to forthcoming tax years? I suspect not and that HMRC would merely say that this was a chattel disposal with no carry forward allowed.

I have recently sold some 1960's reserves programmes. I have acquired them over a number of years. I sold them because I acquired a bound volume that contained them all and then some. I did not acquire them to trade but got a reasonable sum back for them. I do not believe that this is taxable.

Not one of us knows the details of this, but, my belief is that if you are selling off chattels, then you are allowed to sell up to £6k pa without there being the need to pay income tax.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:51 pm 
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Eck wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Celtic-v-Hibs-20th-May-1953-Coronation-Cup-Final-Match-Ticket-Rare/292522528067?hash=item441bb38d43:g:BgEAAOSwm3Ba0Lk6


Anyway, some price!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:26 pm 
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The Rangers v Manchester United ticket from the 1953 Coronation Cup sold at Sportingold last Friday for £520 + around a further 20.4% or if the buyer was bidding via the saleroom add a further 3.5 to 4.5% OR SO % ON TOP.
sO AROUND £626 at least which trumps the ebay sale quite dramatically.

Now what about this ticket from that competition showing 2 off the matches, has anyone seen one of these before as I certainly have not other than this example:

https://flic.kr/p/6cqDVT





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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:53 pm 
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manchesterunitedman1 wrote:
The Rangers v Manchester United ticket from the 1953 Coronation Cup sold at Sportingold last Friday for £520 + around a further 20.4% or if the buyer was bidding via the saleroom add a further 3.5 to 4.5% OR SO % ON TOP.
sO AROUND £626 at least which trumps the ebay sale quite dramatically.

Now what about this ticket from that competition showing 2 off the matches, has anyone seen one of these before as I certainly have not other than this example:

https://flic.kr/p/6cqDVT







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Nope, never seen that one.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:53 am 
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Lovely items, but I am a little bit confused as the date of the programme is Wednesday 13th May 1953 and the ticket is for Saturday 16th May 1953.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:17 am 
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Grumpypants wrote:
Lovely items, but I am a little bit confused as the date of the programme is Wednesday 13th May 1953 and the ticket is for Saturday 16th May 1953.


Correct.
Rangers v United was played on the 13th.

Perhaps once the draw was made for the early round in advance tickets were simply produced en bloc. The ticket that sold at Sportingold was for the 13th and involved only Rangers and MU. I am sure there will have been other tickets produced in this fashion until it appeared after one set of games who was going to play who and some of the programmes reflected this as well....https://flic.kr/p/6cqErt

It seems the Tournament was organised by Heath Robinson as well as perhaps natural Scottish thrift not to say 2 words when one will do Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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