Scottish Independence

[Drvonshineck]

JJPROGRAMMES wrote:

When you mention "Oil revenue" Scotland will only make a pittance in "tax" on it as all the "profits" will go to Shell BP or whoever drills for its shareholders not the Government (Scotland gets more subsides than oil revenue so you cant balance the books with tax on oil revenue), so basically the same corporations investment companies etc who are making the profits now will still make the profits if Scotland chooses to go its own way.

Since 2010 the UK has generated in excess of £3 billion in oil tax revenue excluding gas revenue or corporation tax which is hardly a "pittance".

Westminster would not be entitled to one penny of that while at present they control it.

It is generally accepted now that Scotland is not subsidised by rUk if we were why would Westminster oppose independence?

[Eck]

All Scotland have to do is dispose of the Health service and the life expectancy age will drop to about 45.

[clsyorkshire]

Pete’s Picture Palace wrote:

Plus I would happily marry Eve Muirhead if she'd have me.

It's the eyes, isn't it?


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[Gorgie JT]

BAZZABAGGIES wrote:

My brother in law works in the Treasury and has told me each man, woman, and child in Scotland costs England £5000 a year in subsidies. I asked why England isn't getting a vote on whether Scotland is part of the gang Salmond is Tony Blair in a kilt, most Scots don't want to leave the Union. Salmond is promising things Scotland cant afford to get a vote, he's just a big headed numpty trying to get his name in the history books, looks like we English will be stuck with you Jocks for a long time yet

Despite this level of ignorance.

My vote will be NO

Though last bit is correct,this is all about wee eck .
and yeah england will always be a plook on our arse

[Eck]

One thing I will say if bazza's bullshit story was true, England would drop us like a bad habit.

[Tynie Topics]

Gorgie JT wrote:

Despite this level of ignorance. My vote will be NO Though last bit is correct,this is all about wee eck . and yeah england will always be a plook on our arse

This is not "all about wee eck", it has nothing to do with him.

It is about Scotland governing itself as an Independent nation.
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Eck wrote:

One thing I will say if bazza's bullshit story was true, England would drop us like a bad habit.

Correct.
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[BAZZABAGGIES]

Thats right we have looked after you too long and ignored our fellow countrymen Gods People THE ENGLISH. We have won the lottery of life

[slightfold]

Have you ever thought of entering politics Bazza? You could stand for England and St George, and maybe rebuild Hadrian's Wall and keep those pesky Scots in where they belong!!

[BAZZABAGGIES]

Watching TV am the other day we have that droning voice of the Scot Lorraine Kelly and we have done for the last 25 years. The Welsh soprano Aled Jones and the has been Irish Singer presenting the Whats on section.. Bring back The English on TV ours kids standards are dropping faster than Manchester United.

[Drvonshineck]

Please stop churning out racist sentiments, in the hope of getting a reaction.

It is tiresome.

[BAZZABAGGIES]

[pastpirate]

Bazz.
I think some of these comments may be going a bit far. Banter is one thing but deliberate provocation like this is going a bit over the top.
Lets all try to get along eh!
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[Auchinleckian]

As an unabashed socialist I have the following views on the subject.

1. This vote has absolutely nothing to do with nationalism. It's about the ability of a nations population for self determination.

2. Self determination is all about making your politicians accountable to the electorate. In Scotland we have just one Tory MP. The Tory government is therefore not accountable to Scotland. It takes decisions in it's own interests, not those of Scotland. It can not therefore be held accountable in Scotland.

3. This is not anti English as some political commentators, and even folk on here seem to think. It's anti Westminster. The regions of northern England are also of the opinion that they need more autonomy as Westminster relates mainly to London and the south east nowadays, it doesn't represent the country as a whole.

4. If we do get independence I imagine that we will see consensual politics in Scotland. There's absolutely no reason, party politics aside, that a mixture of Labour, SNP, Greens and maybe even Liberals (but not Danny Alexander!) could not form a coalition and use the best political brains to ensure that the Scottish population get a government that is working in their interests.

5. If we don't get independence, I think the Labour Party will suffer greatly in Scotland in forthcoming elections for having shared a common platform with the Tories. The Scottish electorate are not daft.

Independence is the obvious vehicle for Scottish people to determine their own future. The world is full of countries that have done similar. I remember as a child being told that "the sun never sets on the Empire" because of how far it extended worldwide. Empire is no more, and it's only oil and gas that keeps us attached to Westminster to fund their illegal wars and austerity measures.

Independence? It's a no brainer.

[aye aye rhubarb pie]

i really hope the scots, [and the english who live there] vote yes.

[Auchinleckian]

As a Welshman, so do I. Probably not for the same reasons as yourself I'd wager?

[Pete’s Picture Palace]

Auchinleckian wrote:

As an unabashed socialist I have the following views on the subject. 1. This vote has absolutely nothing to do with nationalism. It's about the ability of a nations population for self determination. 2. Self determination is all about making your politicians accountable to the electorate. In Scotland we have just one Tory MP. The Tory government is therefore not accountable to Scotland. It takes decisions in it's own interests, not those of Scotland. It can not therefore be held accountable in Scotland. 3. This is not anti English as some political commentators, and even folk on here seem to think. It's anti Westminster. The regions of northern England are also of the opinion that they need more autonomy as Westminster relates mainly to London and the south east nowadays, it doesn't represent the country as a whole. 4. If we do get independence I imagine that we will see consensual politics in Scotland. There's absolutely no reason, party politics aside, that a mixture of Labour, SNP, Greens and maybe even Liberals (but not Danny Alexander!) could not form a coalition and use the best political brains to ensure that the Scottish population get a government that is working in their interests. 5. If we don't get independence, I think the Labour Party will suffer greatly in Scotland in forthcoming elections for having shared a common platform with the Tories. The Scottish electorate are not daft. Independence is the obvious vehicle for Scottish people to determine their own future. The world is full of countries that have done similar. I remember as a child being told that "the sun never sets on the Empire" because of how far it extended worldwide. Empire is no more, and it's only oil and gas that keeps us attached to Westminster to fund their illegal wars and austerity measures. Independence? It's a no brainer.

Like the Ukraine, South Sudan, Bosnia, ...........

[aye aye rhubarb pie]

Auchinleckian wrote:

As a Welshman, so do I. Probably not for the same reasons as yourself I'd wager?

total different reasons i should imagine.