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martino · Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:16 pm Post subject: E Bay General Announcement

Just saw this on E Bay announcements:

"We always encourage sellers to charge fair and reasonable postage and packaging (P&P) fees for their items, including items offering Express delivery.

Please check your postage and packaging costs for Express delivery and revise them if they are excessive. Listings that continue to promote what we consider to be excessive P&P costs may be blocked."

I wonder how they would check each listing? I assume they have some software to do it or perhaps it is an empty threat.

Kickoff3pm · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Staffordshire

Some buyers on ebay are just obsessed with postage. They'll moan about an odd 10p and then go and buy something from off ebay and be happy to pay £5 for delivering the same weight.

I won't post anything for less then £1.50. So my rating for postage cost is slightly lower the the other ratings. It's sp petty at times.
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roughyedz · Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 608 Location: Oldham

This is from the company that now CHARGE YOU a FEE for FROM YOUR OWN POSTAGE COSTS for you to post something off to a customer at a% of the postage costs .....so if you sold something for 5p with £5.00 postage you would owe e-bay money as the E-Bay and Paypal fees would by far be more than 5p . . . cant expect any more from them im afraid , but if you want to buy its fine , if you are a seller ........... well what do you do ????

They put a charge on your postage costs and then tell you to keep em low ...... Clap

Kickoff3pm · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Staffordshire

roughyedz wrote:

This is from the company that now CHARGE YOU a FEE for FROM YOUR OWN POSTAGE COSTS for you to post something off to a customer at a% of the postage costs .....so if you sold something for 5p with £5.00 postage you would owe e-bay money as the E-Bay and Paypal fees would by far be more than 5p . . . cant expect any more from them im afraid , but if you want to buy its fine , if you are a seller ........... well what do you do ????

They put a charge on your postage costs and then tell you to keep em low ...... Clap

Thats because all ebay wants is BUYERS, everything is targeted towards buyers of fixed price items. That's where they make their money, they want to become a one stop for branded items and outlet for all major stores. These stores are far more profitable for ebay and less effort.

The common auction site part is now just annoying to them because the are to many negatives and they have pay to many staff to maintain it.
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goonerboy · Joined: 24 Aug 2009 Posts: 1047

Not sure that is totally true because they virtually never offer free listing days for "buy it now" only for auctions. However I agree that buy it now items tend to sell better than auctions.

Kickoff3pm · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Staffordshire

goonerboy wrote:

Not sure that is totally true because they virtually never offer free listing days for "buy it now" only for auctions. However I agree that buy it now items tend to sell better than auctions.

Don't know about true but it's a stated fact by ebay about 18 months ago when they started introducing daily deals.
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derby1884 · Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:36 am Post subject:

Ah, those halcyon pre-Ebay days of the 70s when programme collecting used to be...

...fun.
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Telfordfan · Joined: 18 Jan 2010 Posts: 58

I think ebay have a point, with excessive charging for postage.

Generally anything pre-1990's programmes are light and usually come under 100grams, you should only be paying 60p for a stamp. If you cover your paypal and ebay fees, this should only be costing you an extra 60p. So if you charge more than £1.20 this is profiteering surely?

I don't have a issue with modern bulkier and heavier programmes being charged at £1.50 postage.

Kickoff3pm · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Staffordshire

Telfordfan wrote:

I think ebay have a point, with excessive charging for postage.

Generally anything pre-1990's programmes are light and usually come under 100grams, you should only be paying 60p for a stamp. If you cover your paypal and ebay fees, this should only be costing you an extra 60p. So if you charge more than £1.20 this is profiteering surely?

I don't have a issue with modern bulkier and heavier programmes being charged at £1.50 postage.

Are you saying that if you were shopping on somewhere like Tesco you would moan about postage if it was £3.70 and you thought it should be £3.50 ? no you wouldn't it's only on ebay people think that others should do them a favour like this.

I can understand it when people stick silly prices as p&p like £5 for a light item but in general people get a good deal at £1.50 minimum when you take into account standard online shopping.

Fact is now if you sell an item on ebay for 99p odds are when fees and costs are added up you make nothing or lose money. So it's not a case of ebay making things better because people are just going to lump in the charges on P&P and who profits on that ? ebay because they take 10%

I don't see how it's going to work when sellers are squeezed from both sides. The only result is heavier items won't be put on ebay.
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martino · Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:57 am Post subject:

Telfordfan wrote:

I think ebay have a point, with excessive charging for postage.

Generally anything pre-1990's programmes are light and usually come under 100grams, you should only be paying 60p for a stamp. If you cover your paypal and ebay fees, this should only be costing you an extra 60p. So if you charge more than £1.20 this is profiteering surely?

I don't have a issue with modern bulkier and heavier programmes being charged at £1.50 postage.

Postage will always be an issue for buyers. If sellers want to recoup Pay Pal, E Bay fees and other costs then these should be included in the asking price and not the delivery. As I have said on many occasions, all deliveries for specified categories should be free and ALL costs included in the starting price.

Fishy · Joined: 07 Jun 2011 Posts: 1217

Lots of good points above.

I hardly ever sell anything these days - I'm not a dealer and don't have much spare of any value (I am putting a list together slowly though!).

I have noticed the increase in prices for postage - some of them are ludicrous, but as a buyer I have a choice - buy or don't buy! Same with auction house fees et al..............

The other thing that is happening is the re-use of packaging - if new packaging is used (board backed env. etc) then I would expect to pay for it, on the flip side, if a board env. is being re-used I wouldn't expect to pay.

However, it happens and I do pay but never complain - the saying 'once bitten twice shy' comes to mind - I will think carefully about any future bid with the same seller.

Likewise, those who sell as a BIN with 'Free Postage' - if I buy 2 items I would hope that the seller would reduce the postage accordingly, or make a refund if I haven't had time to ask the question. This sometimes happens, but not always.

At the end of the day the buyer and the seller both have a choice and may take the appropriate action as they see fit (not buying / selling) but don't expect too much help from Ebay - whilst people are buying and selling they are making their profits and really have no care for us mortals......................

Merry Christmas and i hope that your team does well unless it's against The Lions.

ian

Tynie Topics · Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 3509

Kickoff3pm wrote:

Telfordfan wrote:

I think ebay have a point, with excessive charging for postage.

Generally anything pre-1990's programmes are light and usually come under 100grams, you should only be paying 60p for a stamp. If you cover your paypal and ebay fees, this should only be costing you an extra 60p. So if you charge more than £1.20 this is profiteering surely?

I don't have a issue with modern bulkier and heavier programmes being charged at £1.50 postage.

Are you saying that if you were shopping on somewhere like Tesco you would moan about postage if it was £3.70 and you thought it should be £3.50 ? no you wouldn't it's only on ebay people think that others should do them a favour like this.

I can understand it when people stick silly prices as p&p like £5 for a light item but in general people get a good deal at £1.50 minimum when you take into account standard online shopping.

Fact is now if you sell an item on ebay for 99p odds are when fees and costs are added up you make nothing or lose money. So it's not a case of ebay making things better because people are just going to lump in the charges on P&P and who profits on that ? ebay because they take 10%

I don't see how it's going to work when sellers are squeezed from both sides. The only result is heavier items won't be put on ebay.

£1.50 for eg. one 1960's programme is not a good deal for the buyer. I generally avoid high postage costs like this.
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bisphamseasider · Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 2732 Location: Blackpool

Telfordfan wrote:

Generally anything pre-1990's programmes are light and usually come under 100grams, you should only be paying 60p for a stamp. If you cover your paypal and ebay fees, this should only be costing you an extra 60p. So if you charge more than £1.20 this is profiteering surely?

Tynie Topics wrote:

£1.50 for eg. one 1960's programme is not a good deal for the buyer. I generally avoid high postage costs like this.

I absolutely agree that £1.50 is rather steep to send a programme where the weight is under 100g, and there are lots of others who charge even more, and for 2nd class as well. Shame

I do try and avoid blantant profiteering but sometimes the desire to acquire a programme takes precedence.

martino · Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:45 pm Post subject:

bisphamseasider wrote:

Telfordfan wrote:

Generally anything pre-1990's programmes are light and usually come under 100grams, you should only be paying 60p for a stamp. If you cover your paypal and ebay fees, this should only be costing you an extra 60p. So if you charge more than £1.20 this is profiteering surely?

Tynie Topics wrote:

£1.50 for eg. one 1960's programme is not a good deal for the buyer. I generally avoid high postage costs like this.

I absolutely agree that £1.50 is rather steep to send a programme where the weight is under 100g, and there are lots of others who charge even more, and for 2nd class as well. Shame

I do try and avoid blantant profiteering but sometimes the desire to acquire a programme takes precedence.

If I buy anything up to 100g and delivery is over £1, I give them a two rating i.e. unreasonable.

bisphamseasider · Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 2732 Location: Blackpool

martino wrote:

If I buy anything up to 100g and delivery is over £1, I give them a two rating i.e. unreasonable.

BAZZABAGGIES · Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 1920

I sell on Amazon and they charged a buyer £5.30 for a programme they sold for me at £4. I got the £4 - £1.30 post and amazon got the full £5.30.

Ebay buyers need to stop moaning if you buy something and the postage is steep DONT BUY IT.. Dont be a sneek and mark them low on postage ratings. Shocked

I charge £1 for items and under 100 grams. If anyone knows where i can get free boarded envelopes, sellotape, complimentary slips, address labels let me know.
And i nearly forgot the Ebay postage fee needs paying.

JJPROGRAMMES · Joined: 25 Nov 2009 Posts: 552

All in all Business sellers p&p should be much less than a Personal sellers p&p on Ebay.

A 2nd class stamp for a Private seller is 50p where as for Business sellers its 33p, also pay-pal fees for Business sellers are less as well, Private sellers its 3.4% + 20p and Business sellers it "can be" (see pay-pal for details) 1.4% + 20p (we wont go down the Business rates route storage costs etc as you can get tax relief etc).

Saying that I would not mark anyone down on their Ebay stars for charging to much p&p as the listing clearly states it and I`ve agreed to pay it by bidding on the item or using the buy it now option.

Kickoff3pm · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Staffordshire

What would you think if ebay put all the fees on to the buyer? your item is 99p and they then add another the 76p fees then you pay postage 69p + packing 20p. £2.64 total.

If the seller is only charging 99p + £1.50 so your 14p better off

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bisphamseasider · Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 2732 Location: Blackpool

BAZZABAGGIES wrote:

I sell on Amazon and they charged a buyer £5.30 for a programme they sold for me at £4. I got the £4 - £1.30 post and amazon got the full £5.30.

Ebay buyers need to stop moaning if you buy something and the postage is steep DONT BUY IT.. Dont be a sneek and mark them low on postage ratings. Shocked

I charge £1 for items and under 100 grams. If anyone knows where i can get free boarded envelopes, sellotape, complimentary slips, address labels let me know.
And i nearly forgot the Ebay postage fee needs paying.

Why is it being a sneak to mark someone low on postage?

If I see a programme that I would like but the postage is a rip off (in my opinion) I have 2 choices.

Ignore it and hope another turns up sometime or go for it and sod the excessive postage.

If I go for it I am not going to give the buyer 4s or 5s for reasonable or very reasonable postage costs am I? Confused

bisphamseasider · Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 2732 Location: Blackpool

JJPROGRAMMES wrote:

Saying that I would not mark anyone down on their Ebay stars for charging to much p&p as the listing clearly states it and I`ve agreed to pay it by bidding on the item or using the buy it now option.

No wonder these Ebay ratings are generally worthless if people are not prepared to mark sellers appropriately.