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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:52 pm 
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Does anyone know if a programme was issued for the postponed game originally dated 1st March 1947.

The game was eventually played on 3rd May 1947 (programme issued as normal) and I am aware that City tried other dates to get the match on before the date above----again, does a programme exist for any other date?


I seem to remember reading that the government put a block on mid-week games, does anyone know if that is an accurate statement? This was the year of the bad winter (with multiple games postponed) and, if mid-week games were not possible it is no wonder the season didn't finish till mid June 1947.
Also, if it was true(mid week games banned) why did the government put this veto in place?

Incidentally, whilst Manchester City ran away with the 2nd division championship in 1946/1947 it was Newcastle who won at Maine Road in this match after previously beating City at St. James Park.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:11 pm 
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Topbidwinsagain wrote:
Does anyone know if a programme was issued for the postponed game originally dated 1st March 1947.

The game was eventually played on 3rd May 1947 (programme issued as normal) and I am aware that City tried other dates to get the match on before the date above----again, does a programme exist for any other date?


I seem to remember reading that the government put a block on mid-week games, does anyone know if that is an accurate statement? This was the year of the bad winter (with multiple games postponed) and, if mid-week games were not possible it is no wonder the season didn't finish till mid June 1947.
Also, if it was true(mid week games banned) why did the government put this veto in place?

Incidentally, whilst Manchester City ran away with the 2nd division championship in 1946/1947 it was Newcastle who won at Maine Road in this match after previously beating City at St. James Park.


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I'm no expert but there was a shortage of labour after the war and I would imagine the government thought they would prevent working men from wanting time off to watch afternoon football matches in the bad winter when they should be clearing roads or railway lines.

Just trying to put 2/2 together.....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:22 pm 
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Thanks Pete,

I think you could be right, it was not unusual to work on Saturdays as well, although this (Saturdays) could have been mornings only.

I've been doing some checking----it seems the football days were only Saturdays plus holidays (ie Easter and May bank holiday) looking back at the fixtures.
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15th march 1947

worth a read........


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Another success for the post-war Labour government (which my granddad and parents fought for).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:49 pm 
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pompeypete you are a star, I have read it and the answer is there, I did not realise 1946/1947 season was in danger of being abandoned, the war was over but still dark days for the general public.


Looking more and more that postponed programme does not exist--or does it? Neutral
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:51 pm 
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Topbidwinsagain wrote:
Does anyone know if a programme was issued for the postponed game originally dated 1st March 1947.

The game was eventually played on 3rd May 1947 (programme issued as normal) and I am aware that City tried other dates to get the match on before the date above----again, does a programme exist for any other date?


I seem to remember reading that the government put a block on mid-week games, does anyone know if that is an accurate statement? This was the year of the bad winter (with multiple games postponed) and, if mid-week games were not possible it is no wonder the season didn't finish till mid June 1947.
Also, if it was true(mid week games banned) why did the government put this veto in place?

Incidentally, whilst Manchester City ran away with the 2nd division championship in 1946/1947 it was Newcastle who won at Maine Road in this match after previously beating City at St. James Park.


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with what score did Manchester play then? Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:35 pm 
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Topbidwinsagain wrote:
Does anyone know if a programme was issued for the postponed game originally dated 1st March 1947.Sad


Newcastle played at Sheffield United on 1st March 1947 in one of four scheduled FAC quarter final ties. As such, with those ties already scheduled would Man City have produced a programme?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:22 pm 
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Topbidwinsagain wrote:
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:44 pm 
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ROCKY, you have nailed the problem.

All Manchester City programmes had volume numbers(for the season) and numbers for each match.The last game before the 1st March date was Volume 41 number 16 the game v Spurs, the next scheduled home match was the 1st March---obviously number 17. The bad weather really struck around this time and, after revising the fixtures, City played the next home match v. Birmingham City on the 15th March 1947 number 18 i.e. no programme number 17 exists as far as I know.

As you have pointed out the FA cup was played on that date (1st March) and this date was known for some time ( the FA cup date) so why a missing programme number?.

I realise this now sounds complicated but not really.
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pompeypete wrote:
Topbidwinsagain wrote:
pompeypete you are a star, Neutral





Just seen this--brilliant!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:52 pm 
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pompeypete wrote:
Topbidwinsagain wrote:
pompeypete you are a star, Neutral





Just seen this--brilliant!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:17 pm 
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As you are probably aware, Man City did play on March 1st...at Fulham
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Yes, the programme was a large single sheet issue for the Fulham away game, it is claimed that many of the clubs issued much reduced match programmes due to the paper shortage at the time exacerbated by the extreme weather conditions. What is now amazing is the number of games that went ahead during the freezing conditions January 22 to March 17 1947.
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Dundee Courier
Tuesday 4th March 1947


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Well done Atletico which I think conclusively answers the question.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:56 am 
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Dundee Courier
Tuesday 4th March 1947



Thanks Atletico that is probably the final piece of the jigsaw, I am surprised the information was found in Dundee nevertheless it does make the situation quite clear.

A programme for the original 1st March date would not have been possible due to the FA cup ties to be played on the same day (Newcastle United still in the cup).

In all probability the game recheduled for the 5th March must have had a programme either completed or in production and so there must be one out there. The question now is, does anyone have one (a no.17) and is it for sale?

Many thanks to you guys who have helped, it has revealed that, in those immediate post war years the difficulties facing football,footballers and the general public was far more dire than I imagined but eventually everyone pulled through one way or another.
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