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RoddyN



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:53 am 
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You are miles out I am afraid. The winners of the FA Cup get £1.8 million and you are right just under £100 million for finishing bottom of the Premier League plus the very generous parachute payments for the following 3 seasons (c.£25 million per season).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:58 am 
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You are miles out I am afraid. The winners of the FA Cup get £1.8 million and you are right just under £100 million for finishing bottom of the Premier League plus the very generous parachute payments for the following 3 seasons (c.£25 million per season).



Shocked Shocked

Bloody hell.

The game's truly fallen off a cliff hasn't it.
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Palace have never won a 'major' trophy in their entire existence, so I'd be over the moon if we won the League Cup. The hardcore fans of almost all the 92 clubs do care about it.

Talk of clubs devaluing the competition due to making team changes is somewhat hypocritical, when the draws are in Bangkok or Beijing at 4 in the morning, and not even televised for those who might still want to watch it!

If clubs choose to play weakened teams, then its their loss when they don't get too far. Pardew took the FA Cup seriously in 2016, even resting players in Premier League games ahead of some ties, and we got to the Final. Not complaining at all that the oppo weren't at full strength, its their judgement call.
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Palace have never won a 'major' trophy in their entire existence, so I'd be over the moon if we won the League Cup. The hardcore fans of almost all the 92 clubs do care about it.

Talk of clubs devaluing the competition due to making team changes is somewhat hypocritical, when the draws are in Bangkok or Beijing at 4 in the morning, and not even televised for those who might still want to watch it!

If clubs choose to play weakened teams, then its their loss when they don't get too far. Pardew took the FA Cup seriously in 2016, even resting players in Premier League games ahead of some ties, and we got to the Final. Not complaining at all that the oppo weren't at full strength, its their judgement call.



Can't argue with that.

It's certainly hypocritical critisising clubs for chasing the dollar when the competition's organisers are doing exactly the same.

I remember going to Goodison Park in Sept 1986, to see County get thumped 4-0 by that season's League Champions Everton.

Despite that tanking, the Toffees played a full-strength side in the second leg at Somerton as well and walloped us again 5-1.
Which of course was the norm back then.

Those days seem like a world away now.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:36 pm 
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English football used to be revered for it's Cup competitions by other nations. The Europeans couldn't understand how Cup competitions were so important to us as in their own countries, they were viewed as second rate.

Then along came the Champions League and all of the top clubs in England suddenly saw the pound signs and fourth place in the league was much more lucrative than winning a cup.

The FA Cup started it's demise (in my opinion) when Man Utd failed to defend it and were forced to go and play in a "jolly in Brazil" by the FA. I do not blame United, but the FA devalued their own competition for money.

The League Cup has been on it's knees for years now and needs help, but unless they throw in a Champions League place to the winner, the so called big clubs will show little interest, until they reach the Semi Finals.

I would love to see Spurs go for it in the cups and win one of them, but Mr Levy and Poch will focus on the Top 4 I'm sure.

These days we have massive squads, fewer league games on better pitches, but can't cope with less games than a successful side used to play back in the eighties and have to "rest" our precious superstars.

Where did our game go?

Rant over......sorry!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:20 pm 
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The words "hypocrisy" and "football" go hand in hand now.

Footballers aren't allowed to bet on any kind of football match in this country (rightly). Yet, pitch perimeters, shirt sponsors, everything in fact is now cluttered with betting adverts and logos etc. Disgusting really.

And I thought Papisse Cisse got it right at the time when he refused to wear "Wonga" on his chest. And then he was spotted at a casino......
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Those of you a bit longer in the tooth might remember the Football Combination League which was for reserve teams. I seem to recollect there was a Combination Cup, and this is what the Football League Cup is now..
I agree with Pete on Papisse Cisse's stance regarding shirt advertising for Wonga which charged 'extortionate' rates to the desperate for loans. However I fail to see it making him a hypocrite by attending casinos, foolish maybe but some rich are easily parted from their spondulicks!!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:54 pm 
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Those of you a bit longer in the tooth might remember the Football Combination League which was for reserve teams. I seem to recollect there was a Combination Cup, and this is what the Football League Cup is now..
I agree with Pete on Papisse Cisse's stance regarding shirt advertising for Wonga which charged 'extortionate' rates to the desperate for loans. However I fail to see it making him a hypocrite by attending casinos, foolish maybe but some rich are easily parted from their spondulicks!!


It's against his "religion".
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:38 am 
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Whilst I was sleeping, Palace drawn at home to Huddersfield again - the stuff of nightmares!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:48 am 
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Jeez.......... oh well, we might beat their reserves.
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And we get Liverpool, meanwhile Man Utd get the easy draw again Very Happy
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For better or worse we have used it as a competition to play our squad players plus youngsters. Not a completely bad thing because in these days of bloated squads why not play those players plus give a few youngsters a chance to get first team experience. And to be fair to the club they charge a vastly reduced price for league cup matches to reflect their strategy.

When considering the top flight teams I can't say I have too much problem with the team changes because most premier teams still have a bunch of internationals even in their "weakened" teams.

The other thing to remember is that although many of us remember the league cup heyday in 70s and 80s from what I understand there was only limited enthusiasm from top flight teams for the competition in the 60s. So it seems this has always been.considered a 3rd priority to a lot of teams
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:23 am 
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For better or worse we have used it as a competition to play our squad players plus youngsters. Not a completely bad thing because in these days of bloated squads why not play those players plus give a few youngsters a chance to get first team experience. And to be fair to the club they charge a vastly reduced price for league cup matches to reflect their strategy.

When considering the top flight teams I can't say I have too much problem with the team changes because most premier teams still have a bunch of internationals even in their "weakened" teams.

The other thing to remember is that although many of us remember the league cup heyday in 70s and 80s from what I understand there was only limited enthusiasm from top flight teams for the competition in the 60s. So it seems this has always been.considered a 3rd priority to a lot of teams
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:28 pm 
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For better or worse we have used it as a competition to play our squad players plus youngsters. Not a completely bad thing because in these days of bloated squads why not play those players plus give a few youngsters a chance to get first team experience. And to be fair to the club they charge a vastly reduced price for league cup matches to reflect their strategy.

When considering the top flight teams I can't say I have too much problem with the team changes because most premier teams still have a bunch of internationals even in their "weakened" teams.

The other thing to remember is that although many of us remember the league cup heyday in 70s and 80s from what I understand there was only limited enthusiasm from top flight teams for the competition in the 60s. So it seems this has always been.considered a 3rd priority to a lot of teams


Indeed.

The competition was seen as a way to provide extra revenue generating matches under floodlights for the top clubs who didn't get into Europe.

Of course, it was the ultimate irony that many of those top clubs didn't even play in it until about the mid 1960's when everyone was involved.

The status was ramped up by holding the final at Wembley from 1967 and what a match that was with QPR beating a full strength WBA with great team effort and Rodney Marsh' brilliance. Swindon followed the example 2 years later beating Arsenal (also playing a full strength side) on a mud bath of a pitch which had been used for the Horse of the Year Show not long before.

Yes, money and priority have relegated the competition in the minds of many / most managers to an event where, if you get through to round 3, you might start taking it a bit more seriously.

That many of the last 20 editions of the Cup have been won by top sides is a bit misleading as often, the squad players from the top sides are quite simply, better than 1st choice selections of lesser clubs.

Listening to the coverage on TS the other evening, it seemed to be an accepted thing for the clubs to change their side from the previous league game team a few days before. Jim White mentioned that there had been 274 changes across all the clubs who played this week.

Thing is, no-one does anything about it. With 25 man squads, how can clubs be fined for playing weakened teams?

The competition didn't start with much enthusiasm and all these years later, it seems to be just an also-ran event whilst for clubs like QPR and Swindon, it's a cup that provided the opportunity to experience probably the greatest day in both clubs' histories.

Excuse the shameless plug but here's a re-post of my website brief guide on the programmes of the finals;

http://www.goalsandwickets.co......rogrammes/
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Top-level football will not implode, despite what some think........what I believe will happen is it will herald a new and rather horrific amalgamation of free market economic theory and uber-globalisation.

I cannot get my head around the comparative lack of surprise/concern in the media about the new mega-transfer fees suddenly so prevalent.

These inflationary deals can only lead to the formation of some body whereby those brands (they've long since ceased to be 'clubs') can operate in an environment where they don't have to swat aside the likes of Stoke City, Real Betis or Mainz on a weekly basis before the "big" games where they play one another.

These clubs will be happier playing one another rather than going through the turgid ennui of their domestic environment and the rest of us will be able to enjoy a more competitive structure where we don't have to take out a bank loan to go and watch a match.

Count me very much "in" for the World Super League...... if only to get shot of the global brands.

As regards the FA Cup - I just watched highlights of Walsall Wood v Tividale from last week. Much larger crowd than usual, two teams giving it their all, the Cup as used to be.
I lose interest now once the Third Round comes along when, as a young 'un, it was the highlight of the season.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:05 pm 
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ps - Bradford City's run to the Final a few years back was fun to watch, wasn't it?
That's what makes a Cup sustainable - the unexpected.
If even the lower sides essentially give up and play a weakened team, the whole thing is f*cked.

Note there are NO 4th Division clubs in the Third Round draw.
When did that last happen (hypothetical question....I don't need to know the answer)
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The draw is now in Vietnam !!!!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44444026
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Last year there were draws China & Thailand and a bit of a cock up There will be no extra time to be played in this most valued of competitions. Some less fancied teams will park the bus and stay in their own half and wait for the penalty shoot out, I wonder how many 0-0's there will be?
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Does anyone in Vietnam care about Round 1 of the League Cup?

Really?


Even many season ticket holders of the clubs concerned can't be arsed with it!
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Hey Dorking I have a mate in Ho Chi Minh City who cannot wait for the Draw.
Just in case he is reading this hello Hu Yu Pla Yin.
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