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TheSorter!



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:14 am 
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Are there any pirate programmes that are actually worth anything?
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Interesting Question. I only attend Non-League games these days, so are Pirate Programmes still around? If so I suppose pirate programme sellers should be shunned to stop the practice. Mind you with Wembley Cup Final Programmes costing 10, perhaps there would still be a market.

I remember in the late fifties going to White Hart Lane and walking from Northumberland Station and they had pirate programme sellers standing near the station waiting to catch unsuspecting supporters.

I actually got one simply because they had sold out of official programme on that side of White Hart Lane and I did not have time to start searching.

Copies will never reach the same price as official ones unless there was a particular reason. I have one of the 1952 Amateur Cup Final and the pirate one has Dennis Hall starting in place of Ron Horsley who was doubtful in the official programme. Hall scored the winner late into extra time, and the only Australian to do so. To his family it might be worth a kings ransom.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:43 am 
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Dennis Hall - who did he play for, any further info on him?

Scotland v England/England v Scotland pirates from the 40/50's can sometimes go for more than the official programme.

Modern day pirates are not worth the paper they are written on unless they are sold at the venue then they can be classed as a genuine souvenir of the match.

However, some people do still buy them if there's no programme, even though they've never been in the country let alone available at the match (Israel and Serbia appear to be popular producers)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:45 am 
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TheSorter! wrote:
Are there any pirate programmes that are actually worth anything?


Absolutely, especially where Manchester United is concerned from say the pre-1960 era in particular.

Here are a few I have uploaded so far, some of which are worth considerably more than the original programme!

https://flic.kr/s/aHsjfvtCFz

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:44 pm 
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Some of the Amateur Cup Final ones make decent money when they appear - not often.

I have 5 or 6 from the 40s/50s on Flickr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/derby1884/albums/72157631891639793
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:13 pm 
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I'm not a massive programme collector, and pirate's even less so, however I do have the pirate version for the 1962 friendly, Crystal Palace v Real Madrid.

It's a terrible programme, 4 pages (so a piece of folded paper basically) but I love it, as the official one is probably the most common Palace programme and still sooo easy to get for very little (they were given away free on the night as the ticket price was more than your normal game back then). The pirate doesn't come up very often so I think of it as being a bit more special! It is also worth more than the official one!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:29 pm 
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Dennis Hall - who did he play for, any further info on him?

Scotland v England/England v Scotland pirates from the 40/50's can sometimes go for more than the official programme.


Dennis Hall played for Walthamstow Avenue. That's all I know.
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A pirate programme for the Postponed match v arsenal at fratton park.

so a double wammy

value..........next to nothing.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:49 pm 
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I have been adding PIRATE issues (28 so far) from the 60s/70s to my collection for quite some time and have picked up some interesting issues. There appears to have been a couple of 'big players' in that era Starkey (Battersea) and Nicholls (Hammersmith) with both often producing pirate issue for the same game e.g. Crystal Palace v Leeds Utd 1964/65 FA Cup 6th Rd.

I think they make a welcome addition to a pre 1975 collection. However, I do not even attempt to collect the pirate programmes now found across Europe when British teams play in european competitions.

I can tell you that my club Leeds Utd changed from publishing the Token inside the programme to placing it on the front page in January 1965 after a pirate issue (Starkey) was found being sold at the Leeds v Chelsea game in January 1965.



However, from a historical perspective Leeds Utd by placing the Token on the front cover of the official programme subsequently resulted in 1000s of Leeds Home programmes from 1965-1973 being rendered sub-standard as tokens were cut out of the front page.


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Tynie Topics wrote:
Dennis Hall - who did he play for, any further info on him?

Scotland v England/England v Scotland pirates from the 40/50's can sometimes go for more than the official programme.

Modern day pirates are not worth the paper they are written on unless they are sold at the venue then they can be classed as a genuine souvenir of the match.

However, some people do still buy them if there's no programme, even though they've never been in the country let alone available at the match (Israel and Serbia appear to be popular producers)


Just sent you a PM-interested to hear your view on this matter-ok Thumbs Up
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