Football Programmes Centre

rob71 · Joined: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 472

I have come across a few programmes from the 50s and 60s that have the staples removed to prevent rusting. Does anyone think this decreases the value of the programme ? Would it put you off buying ? Interested to hear what others think.

reds4ever · Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 79 Location: leeds

got one with no staples will try and find it tomorow and tell u more about it

surfinjim · Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject:

Makes no odds to me. recently bought around 8 England internationals form the late 50's, all of which had the staples removed to stop the dreaded staple rust/bleed! Crying or Very sad

Jim
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26th December 1979

Bolder, Blackhall, Williamson, Smith, Pickering, Hornsby, King, Johnson, McCulloch, Mellor, Curran.

Scorers; Mellor, King, Curran, Smith (pen)

GODS EVERY ONE OF THEM!

Molineux Phil · Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 823 Location: liverpool

Has long as thay are removed neatly i think it is OK ,prob can add to the value,i recieved a prog today of Ebay Football League Review removed by the looks of it with a screw driver.stupid.

Wullie · Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 3427

It wouldn't make any difference to the value at all. The danger with taking them out is, of cause pages might get lost. Kept in an acid free bag, in good storage, then staples shouldn't rust.

oldbolt · Joined: 06 Jun 2009 Posts: 436

I wouldn't buy any of the common ones from the 50s or 60s without staples, the rarer ones I would but at a lower price than in the same condition with staples.

reds4ever · Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 79 Location: leeds

i have got a copy of feijenoord v manchester united don't know the year but it has a picture of the stadium on the front. the programme is in tatty condition with no staples

Footyfan · Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 496

Back in the 1960s, the late Norman Lovett, who established the Britsih Programme Club (noe defunct), recommended removing staples from programmes to prevent rusting. I have seen an article by Norman in a Football League Review magazine from the lates 1960s advising collectors to remove staples to guard against rust. I will try and locate the article if anyone is particularly interested?

This is probably the reason why you often come across older programmes with the staples removed.

I do not believe the removal of staples is detrimental in anyway to the quality anfd value of programmes.

Footyfan · Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 496

Any one else noticed how certain clubs have a particular problem rusty staples in programmes?

A good example is Norwich City early 1970s, just about every copy I have and have seen has rusty staples. Even now when they are listed on EBay with a photo you notice the rusty staples.

Must be something in the air in East Anglia?

Kickoff3pm · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Staffordshire

One thing nobody seems to have mentioned is that it's easy enough to find replacement stapled from common programmes of the same period, size etc.

You do have to be adapt at putting them in without damaging the area around the staple but I've done it more then once with items I've sold on ebay without any comebacks.

With my own programmes I've often thought the must be a way to create little plastic ties but never bothered with it. It wouldn't put me off buying any programme.

giorgio · Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Posts: 186 Location: London

I wouldn't buy a programme that had it's staples removed unless they have been retained.

Gradjanski · Joined: 26 Dec 2009 Posts: 15 Location: Croatia/England

All the old programmes I have are without staples. Thanks to that, there's no rust marks, so the value of those items has increased.
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1980Cossie · Joined: 16 May 2009 Posts: 830

I would say that if a programme had a rusty staple but no rust marks why not remove it? if you were selling it, this would increase its value if it was described as good/very good condition - staple removed, rather than selling it as good/very good condition but has rusty staple,

OldburyWBA · Joined: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 91

Makes no difference to me. I don't think it devalues a programme at all either if the programme is still complete.

Baggies programmes from the 50's are some of the worst I have ever come across for rusty staples.

surfinjim · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject:

OldburyWBA wrote:

Makes no difference to me. I don't think it devalues a programme at all either if the programme is still complete.

Baggies programmes from the 50's are some of the worst I have ever come across for rusty staples.

I'd rate them as some of the worst, together with both Sheffield clubs (Sheffield steel as well for the staples!!!!), and Man Utd. All really poor if left in the wrong conditions.

Jim
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26th December 1979

Bolder, Blackhall, Williamson, Smith, Pickering, Hornsby, King, Johnson, McCulloch, Mellor, Curran.

Scorers; Mellor, King, Curran, Smith (pen)

GODS EVERY ONE OF THEM!

Kickoff3pm · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 894 Location: Staffordshire

OldburyWBA wrote:

Makes no difference to me. I don't think it devalues a programme at all either if the programme is still complete.

Baggies programmes from the 50's are some of the worst I have ever come across for rusty staples.

Yes thats really odd concidering the Albion programmes must be the highest sold above sea level

Perhaps it's the shelter factor, perhaps fans used to get rained on more in the Brumie Rd.

Piebald · Joined: 14 Dec 2009 Posts: 69 Location: South Yorkshire

Think the answer to the original question depends on the club and age of prog.you collect.
Ideally a prog. should have good staples but for example 1950s Notts.Co. progs usually have rusty staples,quite often virtually rusted away.So a lot of my progs. from this era are affected.Ive kept the staples as they were when acquired and not removed them,keeping each prog. in an acid-free wallet.
Keeping looking for replacements for the worst affected but its difficult to find them!!