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Sir Moses Hill
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:22 pm
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Don't restore it. Less authentic then. It's an old item, accept it as it is. |
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Tynie Topics
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:35 pm
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Sir Moses Hill wrote: |
Don't restore it. Less authentic then. It's an old item, accept it as it is. |
It’s a personal thing I suppose, I have had items restored in the past and its increased my enjoyment of them, but everyone is different.
That said, if a programme is pretty badly damaged/worn to the point of disintegration where they won’t take much handling, I’d recommend restoration. Have had this done on a couple of programmes and Eamonn has done a fantastic job, stabilised the programme and brought it back to life. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/footballprogrammes/albums |
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hydemaine
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:42 pm
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Couldn't agree more.
I once had a B.A.O.R. V Manchester United which is a very rare item as it's Matt Busby's first oversea's match in charge.
It looked like it had been eaten by a hungry dog!
Eamonn got hold of it and restored it ...he is a miracle worker and it came back in very good order.
I sold it obviously stating the restoration work. The buyer was extremely happy as there's not many around and considered it a bargain.
It's personal choice I guess. |
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Sir Moses Hill
Joined: 13 Oct 2014 Posts: 134 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:43 pm
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Tynie Topics wrote: |
Sir Moses Hill wrote: |
Don't restore it. Less authentic then. It's an old item, accept it as it is. |
It’s a personal thing I suppose, I have had items restored in the past and its increased my enjoyment of them, but everyone is different.
That said, if a programme is pretty badly damaged/worn to the point of disintegration where they won’t take much handling, I’d recommend restoration. Have had this done on a couple of programmes and Eamonn has done a fantastic job, stabilised the programme and brought it back to life. |
Yes, personal preference, I agree. I've huge admiration for the skill involved in restoration; it's just not for me. I'm softer on cleaning and rust removal than on replacing missing sections of paper. In the case of the latter, one is adding new to the old to give the appearance that the whole item is both old and original, which it is not, and that diminishes its value as a historical artifact in my eyes. |
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facup1939
Joined: 04 Dec 2014 Posts: 55 Location: New Malden
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:48 pm
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I have thought about having it restored over the years, but can never quite make my mind up, and it is interesting to see the conflicting views on this post.
Have to admit though, the tarting up done by wandererpaul does improve the look.
I will probably get a quote, but it is 8 pages so presumably not going to be cheap.
Still, I enjoy it, I count myself lucky to have obtained it, and am not going to sell it. |
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wandererpaul
Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Posts: 486 Location: Brentford
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:36 pm
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facup1939 wrote: |
I have thought about having it restored over the years, but can never quite make my mind up, and it is interesting to see the conflicting views on this post.
Have to admit though, the tarting up done by wandererpaul does improve the look.
I will probably get a quote, but it is 8 pages so presumably not going to be cheap.
Still, I enjoy it, I count myself lucky to have obtained it, and am not going to sell it. |
Why not get some advice about stabilising the programme first? to stop anymore paper loss or the Sellotape deteriorating the paper any further. If you feel it's worth doing, then that's your choice and no one else's.
What you could do, if you want to keep it as it is, would be to scan it page by page, if possible, and then photoshop the programme to get it to a point where it looks as if it's complete and to then print off a copy of it for personal use, to save you touching the original and have that kept securely in an acid free environment to stop anymore damage being done to it.
It took me five minutes to do a rough "touch up" job, you could get a good copy by doing it well.
Anyway, a nice rare item.
As were the Southampton programmes too, wow, I wish there were one or two Brentford ones around, we know they were printed, as programme sellers and programmes were mentioned in old reports and articles on the football club in the 1890's. It's just finding one! _________________ Not Forgotten; Allwright, Greechan, Hagan, Kennedy, Littler, Purver, Robotham, Saunders, Shields |
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Tynie Topics
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:19 pm
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Sir Moses Hill wrote: |
Yes, personal preference, I agree. I've huge admiration for the skill involved in restoration; it's just not for me. I'm softer on cleaning and rust removal than on replacing missing sections of paper. In the case of the latter, one is adding new to the old to give the appearance that the whole item is both old and original, which it is not, and that diminishes its value as a historical artifact in my eyes. |
I equate it to old cars, when you restore them inevitably they need some rust eaten metal replaced, new parts and a re-spray. It’s still the same car and it makes the ownership experience much more enjoyable when it’s not falling to bits. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/footballprogrammes/albums |
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Carlisleprogs
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Carlisleprogs
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:00 pm
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I am in process of filing my pre war items in fabulous binders that I bought from John Wilson at JW Binders. Just came across this one - a Bolenium West Ham reserves v Charlton from February 1926. Not particularly valuable but a fantastic programme.
Again I hope it prompts a few pictures of really old West Ham. I would love to see West Ham v Carlisle in the 1909/10 FAC - is there a copy out there? |
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derby1884 Forum Moderator
Joined: 05 Aug 2012 Posts: 3527 Location: the very western edge of Aberdeen
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:39 pm
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Not quite true, strictly speaking, as I've recently acquired a couple that are slightly older but I don't want to scan them as yet until I'm certain in my mind that laying them flat in the scanner won't damage them.
Anyway, Derby County v Arsenal from season 1927/28
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andy1966
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Pete’s Picture Palace Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:09 am
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Here's my oldest Palace away programme from our early Football League history. I have a reserve (London League) programme at Chelsea from 1911 but that's only a single-sheet and this one is 8 page.
Barnsley v Palace 29.8.1921 Second Division L 1-3
Here's the middle page - I particularly like the advert half-way up on the right
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Carlisleprogs
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:09 pm
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pastpirate Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:02 pm
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The oldest I have is this one. Away at Owlerton on the 13-January-1906in the F.A.Cup 1st round.
The oldest home I have is below. It's only a copy so sorry it's not a good image. Swindon Town, 28-March-1908.
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www.bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com The definitive list of Bristol Rovers programmes |
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Carlisleprogs
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:25 pm
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The Wednesday programme is very nice. What was the score? I think Wednesday won the cup the following year. Was probably a big match for Rovers at the time |
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Tigerhawk
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pastpirate Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:37 pm
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Don't know the score of-hand without looking it up but we lost. Well it was Rovers. And yes as a Southern league club at the time this must have been one of our biggest games so far. _________________ I am not gas, I am a Pirate.
www.bristolroversmemorabilia.weebly.com The definitive list of Bristol Rovers programmes |
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Pete’s Picture Palace Forum Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:39 pm
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pastpirate wrote: |
Don't know the score of-hand without looking it up but we lost. Well it was Rovers. And yes as a Southern league club at the time this must have been one of our biggest games so far. |
1-0 to Wednesday.
http://www.11v11.com/matches/s.....06-205891/ |
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